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The Great Flood

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by S-word, Nov 6, 2008.

  1. S-word

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    There was once a world wherein one massive continent, which was surrounded by water, was broken up into seven Tectonic plates. The Jurassic age in which the 3 million odd year rule of the old upright walking serpent, ‘the great Dinosaurs,’ was brought to its finish by what is thought to have been a cataclysmic comet collision with the earth some 145 million years ago when the super continent of Pangaea began to break up, separating the continental tectonic plates and the overall sea level began to rise, which ushered in the Cretaceous period which came to its close about 65 million years ago.
    During the period of the Cretaceous age, the sea levels were about 80 feet or 25 metres above current levels, and this was before the Tertiary period which closed about 2 million years ago, during which period all the mountain ranges such as the Himalayan mountains etc, were formed from the collisions of the continental Tectonic plates, and apart from a few high land masses which were pushed up by internal pressures, which small areas of land protruding above the surface of the seemingly endless ocean, would have been insignificant, the otherwise reasonably flat mountain less surfaces of the drifting continents would have been under water, which is something to consider in view of the fact that we are dealing in scripture with a very, very, very condensed record of earth’s history. The Biblical flood that occurred some 4 to 5 thousand years ago when Noah was 600 years old, is representative of a much earlier flood that covered the entire earth and wiped out all land animals, which could not return to and adapt to the watery world of the long cretaceous period.

    According to the genealogical record of Shem the son of Noah, we see in Genesis 11: 10-26, that Abraham is recorded as being the tenth in line from Noah, whereas the record in Luke 3: 34-36, has Abraham as the eleventh in the generations from Noah. But Shelah, who, in Genesis 11:12, and 1 Chronicles 1: 18, is seen to be the son of Arpachshad, in Luke 3: 36, is seen to be the son of Cainan or rather Kainam, who is the eldest son of Arpachshad who died shortly after siring Shelah who was born of Melka the grand-daughter of Japheth the younger brother of Shem. And Arpachshad chose Shelah, ‘the grand-son that he had raised,’ as his heir.

    In the book of Jubilees, concerning Kainam the grand-son of Shem, it is written that after Kainam had been taught how to read and write, he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for himself a city, (Not build a city, but to seize an already existing city, and this was after the flood that decimated the then known civilised world around the Mediterranean, in 2350 BC, when Noah who was born in 2950 BC was 600 years old) and Kainam found a writing which former (pre-flood) generations had carved on a rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teachings of the Watchers, (Observers, who came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men in the days of Enoch’s physical father ‘Jared’ and the name ‘Jared,’ means “Descending.”) in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and the moon and the stars and all the signs of the heavens. And he wrote them down and said nothing regarding it; for he was afraid to speak to Noah, (Melchizedek, the priestly king, spiritual centre and Lord of the new emerging civilisation) about it least he should be angry with him on account of it.

    All who have gone to the scriptures in search of the truth will know that Ham is the first born son of Noah. The Egyptian Kem, “Egypt=Ham’ as an ajective means “Black” and “warm.” Ham is the only son of Noah to have had a country named after him, ‘Egypt’ and a relief plaque of the God Amun from the Temple of Isis at Saqqara; ‘Egypt’ is depicted as a man with African Negroid features. The Zulus who are descended from Ham the great-great-grandson of Enoch, call their God “Unkulunkulu,” a name that in English means great-great-grandfather. When pressed as to who was the father of their god “Unkulunkulu” who is the great-great-grandfather of Ham, the general answer of the Zulus seems to be, that the father of their God “Unkulunkulu” branched off from a reed, or that he came from a bed of reeds: (reported by Dr Gaallaway)—Max Muller, science of Religion p. 53. Look to the Hebrew origin of the word Cain the shinning one, whose recorded first born son is Enoch. Perhaps the prehuman creatures survived the Cretaceous age on tightly compacted floating reed beds.
     
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    Thanks for sharing ... :rolleyes:
     
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    Evidently whatever holy book he is using is definately not a science textbook :rolleyes:
     
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    You are correct my friend, the books from which I quote, in many instances prove the scientific textbooks to be incorrect.
     
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    Martin Luther King once wrote: You have a moral responsibility to be intelligent. As an exemplar of willful ignorance on steroids, you're a disgrace to religion.
     
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    I tend to disagree. You see science is made up from many different sectors with different roles in society and different means of gaining results. Stragely they usually come to the same conclusions +/- about 10% (like most physicists) which in terms of millions of years is rather insignificant. Where as whatever you're babbling about is just wrong by about 50%. Who do you trust, scientists working independently to get the same answer or a holy book with no corroboration amongst authors?

    I know the logical choice there, but do you?

    For once i have to agree with Jay here, its best if you don't try and argue.
     
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    Why would I even bother to argue with such a mind as yours? O, by the way, which scientific theory as to the universe do you accept, Do you believe in the theory that the universe is constant and eternal, or perhaps you believe that the universe will continue to expand, excellerating to speeds far beyond the speed of Light until it finally evaporates into the nothingness from which it originated, and if it did originate from and returns to nothingness, then can it happen again? Is the universe flat as some scientists believe?


    Or perhaps you believe in the theory that the universe eternally oscillates between a state of being, disappearing into a state of non-being, 'according to our finite minds' only to return to a state of being once more, and as there is evolution in this cycle of universal activity, does this universal body, evolve in each awakening as believed by Origen who holds to a series of worlds each one rising from the ashes of its predecessor and each universe rising a step higher than the parent world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

    It will be interesting to see which of the many different scientific theories as to the origin and or demise of the universe that you hold to, I wonder too, if perhaps you might believe that a mind, while in a state of deep meditation, may be able to descend' along the genetic thread of life and merge with the mind of a living ancestor of the past and to experience the life and times of their ancestor while merged with that mind, which ancestral mind may gain insights of their far distant future during that visitation of their as yet unborn descendant according to your concept of time.
     
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    Your posts certainly stand as monuments to the mind's capacity to descend.
     
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    Remember that you said it.
     
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    The universe will reach heat death when there is no more free energy to be absorbed. Thus the universe obeys the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else.

    I do not seek spirituality, its not for everyone and certainly is not for me.
     
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    S-Word ~ You give a date of 2350 BC as the time of the great flood of the bible that killed all the people in the Meditrerranean. How do you explain that Egypt was in the middle of its power at 2350BC. The Egyptain empire lasted from about 5000BC down to 500 BC with no change of people in 2350BC. How did the great flood miss Egypt S-word ???
     
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    And we come to your first problem: it was 65 million years ago, not 145 million years ago that the dinosaurs either became extinct or evolved into something completely different. Also, it is generally accepted by all competent scientists that dinosaurs WERE NOT reptiles, but their own thing altogether. They evolved from the same ancestor reptiles that mammals evolved from, but they themselves weren't reptiles. I'm sure some of them might have been reptilian, but dinosaurs like the Sauropods couldn't possibly have three-chambered cold-blooded hearts with such long necks, as is supposed by scientists.



    I've never once heard any theory that the break up of the continents had anything to do with a comet. I'll accept that it's a possibility that it was initiated by some sort of collision, but it would have had to have been so catastrophic that pretty much 100% of all life died out. That didn't happen.



    The cretaceous wasn't a water world for the whole time; only at the beginning. By the time T-Rex came into existence, the waters had receded. And plenty of land animals returned to the sea that still live today; ever hear of sea turtles? And did you know that, about 55 million years ago, a certain predatory mammal who was a relative of cows and bison, took to the seas and became whales?

    Okay, at first I was wondering what the heck any of that scriptural talk had to do with your arguments, but when you implied that humanlike creatures lived during the cretaceous, I nearly died of laughter inside. THERE WERE NO HUMANOIDS DURING THE CRETACEOUS! The only mammals were small rodents who resembled possums.

    I think you underestimate the length of time a million years is, so I'll demonstrate for you.

    Jesus lived 2000 years ago. A very long time.

    Now, for 20 of those 2000 years our species, homo sapien, evolved. 20 cycles of 2000 years. And we haven't even touched the iceberg yet, as we haven't even reached a quarter of a million yet. Even multiplying our new number, which is 40000, by 2 gets us 80000, still not a quarter of a million. Multiply 80000 by 2, and it's STILL not even a quarter of a million, not even close. We haven't even gotten to the first Neanderthals yet. It will take us another 20 cycles of 2000 years to reach that. And don't forget how long a mere 200 years is. (That was not a typo, I meant two-hundred years, for that is roughly how old the US is.)

    Now do you understand the length of time we're dealing with here?


    If you want to understand the historical flood, you don't need to go back even to the first homo sapiens; all you need to do is go back to the last glacial meltdown.
     
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    I believe that this earth has been destroyed and recreated a few times. It has been destroyed by a rock , by water, and this one will be destroyed by fire. Each time the earth is re-created its because the earth 'is pregnant' with a new one. A new earth is birthed when the garment of the old earth has worn out. The whole creation is growning as if in labour pains the bible says. So there were dinasours, there was a huge flood, and there will be a huge fire on this earth. It could be that there are survivers from the previous earth, however each new earth, results in a new adam ( son of god placed upon the earth, the seed of god on this planet). Its also why when adam was created there were other people on this earth. This earth did not have its start in genesis, genesis is just the start of a particular re-creation. There is always a remnant left when the earth is destroyed. In the past the remnants always remained on the earth, but in the future the remnant will be taken of the earth and placed back on it again, but according to the bible there will be peace on this earth then. God is looking for people, a remnant who he can use to start the new earth with. In this new earth the lion and the lamb will lie together, there will be peace, the meek shall inherit it. There will be no force, no goverments, no violence, no hate. A peacefull place. Gods will shall be done on earth, as it is in heaven. The remmant is a people who dont want power, dont lust for position, dont lie for gain, and dont want to hurt anyone. The adam of the new world. In the new world, there is no factions, no different religions, only the religion of love.

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    Quote.......Riverwolf
    Okay, at first I was wondering what the heck any of that scriptural talk had to do with your arguments, but when you implied that humanlike creatures lived during the cretaceous, I nearly died of laughter inside. THERE WERE NO HUMANOIDS DURING THE CRETACEOUS! The only mammals were small rodents who resembled possums.

    To start with, don't twist my words old mate, nowhere did I say humanlike creatures, but pre-human creatures, what's up with you, got paint on your glasses or something?

    "Jurassic" From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    The Jurassic is a geologic period and system that extends from about 199.6 to 145.5 million years ago, that is, from the end of the Triassic to the beginning of of the Cretaceous. The Jurassic constitutes the middle period of the Mesozoic era, also known as the "Age of Reptiles".

    The start of the period is marked by the major Triassic-Jurassic extinction event, (Wherein, over 70% of all lifeforms on earth were estimated to have been destroyed, etc.) you will notice that I also said that all life forms which was unable to return to and adapt to the watery world were destroyed. What life forms were destroyed? All those which could not return to and adapt to the watery world, such as those that we see today as whales, dolphins, etc.
     
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    Sorry. I goofed. :sorry1::sorry1::sorry1::sorry1: I actually don't wear glasses, which makes me have even less of an excuse. I need to read more closely. Sorry. :sorry1::sorry1:

    And it's called that because of past misunderstandings by scientists. Very few of them actually believe dinosaurs to be reptiles anymore; in fact, it's commonly believed that many dinosaurs actually evolved into birds. So they didn't quite go extinct after K-T.

    The ancestors of whales and dolphins, as I stated, returned to the waves 55 million years ago, long after the K-T event.
     
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    The Kabballa describes four Adams, the two highest of which are celestial and spiritual. The third Adam is the terrestrial Adam made of &#8216;dust,&#8217; and placed in the Garden of Eden. This Adam was androgynous...(Male and Female)... It had, when first created, a glorious simulacrum or light body. The fourth Adam was the third Adam as he was after the fall. &#8211;Ibid,. P. 418. The body of mankind, which was created on earth &#8216;Male and Female&#8217; and named Adam in the sixth period of universal activity, was first formed in the seventh cycle of activity as a simulacrum, which was the enclosure of all the spirits chosen from the prehuman world, that would be housed in the new creation of mankind. The feet of Gods forming son were on earth, but his head was in paradise. The body of the most high pre-human species on earth are the feet and the brilliant simulacrum which is the enclosure of all the elect and chosen pre-human spirits, was the Light of man which would be housed in the new physical creation of mankind, the Tabernacle of Godhead.

    Are you saying that Cain the shinning one from a previous cycle of universal activity destroyed his younger brother from the universal cycle of activity that followed with a rock from heaven, and that the Sons of God who descended in the days of Jared, were they of the previous world who taught to mankind all the sacred secrets that were stored in heaven, which men were striving to learn, and that Azazel , to whom all sin is to be ascribed was in fact Tubal-cain an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron. Are you saying that Enoch, the spiritual son of cain and yet the physical son of Jared who was possessed by the spiritual Cain while he was with his wife, was carried to heaven where he wrote down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it, the Godhead &#8216;Hide Thyself,&#8217; who is Cain the shinning one who was banished from the face of the earth, brought the waters of the flood on the land, and that the body of post flood man is the sister bride to Enoch in which body is developing the heir to Enoch&#8217;s throne, etc, etc.

    And when the star arises in Jupiter, the saviour of Israel will appear and after he has brought all nations into subjection to his chosen servant Israel, his resurrected body will take the thrones that have been prepared for him and will rule the world in peace for a thousand years, then after the great Sabbath is completed, fire will descend from heaven and incinerate the surface of the planet earth. Then when the earth is again able to sustain physical life forms, the Lord with his chosen elect who at the sound of the last trumpet were changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye from corruptible bodies of matter, into incorruptible bodies of brilliant light and were caught up to their heavenly Lord. Who will say to them, &#8220;Let us make man in our image and likeness.&#8221;

    &#8220;Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn.&#8221; (Basa Encyclopedia)&#8212;De Boer; philosophy in Islam.

    &#8220;The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for sometime totally concentered in himself; .... Afterwards we see a new world arise from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth.&#8221; Seneca, Epist. 9 and quest. Nat; L. 3, c, ult.

    Is it at all possible that Jupiter, a planet that is still condensing and is radiating more heat than it receives fron the sun might accumalate the nesessary mass through comet and asteriod strikes and space debris that ventures to near, to one day become a brown dwarf?
     
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    Wow ~~~four Adams~~~ was there four Eves also???
     
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    Not a Bible reader hey mate? Genesis 5: 1-2, In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them and called their name Adam. I say no more.
     
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    HE HE Arlan, what a prudent mind you've got. Did it cross your mind also, that one eve can produce four adams.
     
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    In a book not included in the Bible, there is a story about how Eve gave birth to Adam. I just can't remember which it was. I think it was called "Creation of Man" or something to that effect. It was rather interesting. It is included in the book "The Other Bible", which I have on my book shelf. ;)
     
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