oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Absolutely!
Nor did I write that they are wrong..... just sayin'!
From your knowledge of the difficult verses, could you show a few examples, please?
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The Gospels. Any 'Difficult' verses?
- Thread starter oldbadger
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Nor did I write that they are wrong..... just sayin'!
From your knowledge of the difficult verses, could you show a few examples, please?
1 Cor 7:14---1 Cor 11:4-7
Rev 11:3-4 - It is not hare to assign 2 people as the 2 witness, but it is hared to know for you are right.
There are many hard verses in Revelation.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Fair enough.
I focus upon the gospels, but thank you for your input.
Your welcome.
I am sure there are some verses in the gospels that are difficult but not for someone who has been seriously studying the Bible for 40+ years they have all been resolved.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
.... for you, yes, of course.
But suppose you might be debating with, say, a skeptic, who claims that the gospels are all a myth? That can happen, here.
No matter how a Christian might protest, it might not help. But if a person knows all those verses that in any way seem to be odd, unhelpful to the story, difficult, etc, this can short-circuit a 'myther'.
I am not a Christian, but a student of Historical Jesus, and although I only study up to the point of Jesus's last appearance I find that this approach can cause a skeptic to slow down, stop, or simply go away!
That's why I keep an eye out, for any extra verses to add to my list!
That always happens sooner or later. When it does I ask them for the evidence that supports that claim
No one can offer any evidence that supports the Bible or any part of it being a myth.
am not a Christian, but a student of Historical Jesus, and although I only study up to the point of Jesus's last appearance I find that this approach can cause a skeptic to slow down, stop, or simply go away!
That's why I keep an eye out, for any extra verses to add to my list!
The gospels are probably the easiest to understand of all the Bible. The hardest thing to understand in the gospels, IMO,are some of the parables.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
A great idea.
Really?
Personally, I never try to convince anyone about the bible, but I do debate on behalf of some of its books.
That's a relief.
But I still find debaters on all sides of such debates who have difficulty with their simplicity.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Dude!....the parables are the most important part!!!!!!!!!!!
It is the only answer and so far I have never gotten a reply.
I don't either. I say what I believe and why I believe it. learned a long time ago, i do not have the ability to convince other about the Bible.
At times the simple seems very complex to nonbelievers.
Yes they are. Parables and all figurative language teach spiritual truths and that is the most important thing for Christians to know, but some of them are very difficult to understand.
Ron Hackel
Member
omega 2xx said he understood everything in the gospels. I'll let you explain these five verses that relate to the same subject.
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
If he won't answer, may I try it?
Ron Hackel
Member
Omega2xx said there were no verses in the gospels that hasn't been resolved in his studies. I'd like him to comment on these five that are all on one subject.
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
Ron Hackel
Member
Sorry about the repeat, but when I came back on my post wasn't on. Sure I'd take a reply from anyone.
Ron Hackel
Member
Omega2xx said there were no verses in the gospels that hasn't been resolved in his studies. I'd like him to comment on these five that are all on one subject.
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
Ron Hackel
Member
Omega2xx said there were no verses in the gospels that hasn't been resolved in his studies. I'd like him to comment on these five that are all on one subject.
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
JOHN 12 : 47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him."
JOHN 12 : 48 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I have spoke will condemn him at the last day."
JOHN 8 : 50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one seeks it, and he is the judge."
JOHN 8 : 15 "You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one."
JOHN 5 : 22&23 "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
Jn 12:48 says something like God words says "You shall not steal." If you steal no one has to judge you, God's word has done that. Now the question is, what will your punishment be?
Jn 8:50 - This verse is not about judging man's conduct. It is about God judging if Jesus' acts and teaching glorified God.
Jn 5:22-23 - Jesus has been given the authority to judge, but he has not exercised it. Even today judges are honored by the fact they have the the authority to judge---All rise.
Jn 12:47 just reinforces the other verses---Jesus is not going to judge.
Jn 112:47b...I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the woerld but to save the world.
Ron Hackel
Member
Can there be a punishment with no judgment?
John 8: 50 said the one seeking glory was the judge. Your answer is not explaining the verse. Who is seeking glory?
God's WORD throughout Scripture was that he was agape love. The Christian church rejects that tenant, do you?
John 8: 50 said the one seeking glory was the judge. Your answer is not explaining the verse. Who is seeking glory?
God's WORD throughout Scripture was that he was agape love. The Christian church rejects that tenant, do you?
I believe the truth is seeking glory.
Ron Hackel
Member
So, Jesus isn't seeking glory, but the truth is. How exactly does the truth seek glory? Does deception seek glory too? How about frugality? Do these inert things seek?