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Featured The Gospel and the Torah, the Quran, Christian, Bahai, and other apologetics.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, May 2, 2021.

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  1. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    In a nutshell, the Quran mentions the Gospel (Injeel), the Torah (Thaurath), and of course other scripture as well. But like a famous advertisement most of us would have these two top of mind, which probably is the reason these two are cited more often.

    Christian evangelists and Apologists seem to bring up this fact and insist that Muslims must accept the "Gospel's" and the "Torah" in the OT. Some even think Muslims believe in those as well. I mean the books in the Bible. The Bahai's make the same exact argument quite often as well.

    But, wrong or right, the Muslims do not believe in the Bible and the books in the Bible. In fact, the Quran does not quote the "Gospels" in the plural. It just says "injeel" in the singular.

    In the OP I am not gonna argue the Quranic position is right or wrong, but this has to be made clear first. The Muslims do not believe in the books in the Bible that are called Torah and the Gospels. Prior to making this apologetic one must understand the Islamic position first, right or wrong can be discussed afterwards.

    Does anyone think that Muslims believe in the Torah in the Tanakh, or/and the Gospels in the New Testament? Why would you think like that? What are your questions and what are your statements? Please bring the discourse here since it seems to be emerging quite often in topics, so its better to address the question in its own thread.

    Peace.
     
  2. Rival

    Rival Ankh, Wedja, Seneb
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    Even Christians call it the 'Gospel' in the singular; that's what the NT calls it.
     
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  3. firedragon

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    The NT calls it "the gospel". Thats correct. But the Christians call it "the gospels" in the plural when referring to the books in the canon. For example, scholars refer to the "Synoptic Gospels" in the plural, all the time, day in day out.
     
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  4. Rival

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    Not all the time. 'The Gospel' is the usual term when referring to the message itself; 'Gospels' when referring to the books.
     
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    You didnt understand the sentence I made. Please read this sentence once more.

    scholars refer to the "Synoptic Gospels" in the plural, all the time, day in day out.

    No scholar would call the "Synoptic Gospels" in the singular. So yes. It is "all the time".

    Nevertheless you are righting saying the message is referred to as the Gospel.
     
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    it is written in the Quran:

    Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:46) And We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, after those Prophets, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah. And We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and which confirms the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah,and a guidance and admonition for the God-fearing.
     
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    Some of the Gospel and the Torah may be found in the Bible so the poll question is difficult to answer.
     
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  8. firedragon

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    Notice that as I said to you it is "Gospel", in the singular. Not Gospels in the plural. Try and understand the nuances.

    Again let me reiterate, Muslims do not believe in the Torah and the Gospels in the "BIBLE". The Muslim belief is that there was a Torah, and there was a Gospel, among many other revelations that of course most never speak about because it is not so far advertised regularly, but these books are not the books in the Bible.

    Right or wrong can be discussed. But first, understand the belief of the Muslims. Then you can argue if the belief is wrong or right.
     
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    I believe the Quran disagree with you
     
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    Meandflower. Dont just make statements like that. That is not a good way of discussing. Rather, listen to the argument, and respond with proper criticism.

    Anyway, you quoted the verse 5:46. In the verse it says "Al Injeela". Singular. Not Anajeel. Plural. Please just accept that first because this is in black and white.

    Try to understand the argument first. Make acknowledgement of what you understand and then move to your argument. Humble request.
     
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    You are right. I discussed in the wrong way. I have corrected the post now.
     
  12. firedragon

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    Not a problem at all.
     
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    But if the Quran only mean the Gospel in singular, do you then believe that muslims only believe in one gospel?
     
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    Please tell me, how does the Quran disagree with me?

    1. The verse you gave says "gospel" in the singular. Injeel.
    2. You were referring to the "Gospels" as I already mentioned in the OP. Thats plural. Four different books.
     
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    Yes. Muslims only believe in "One Gospel" that was given to Jesus.
     
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    So muslims believe only in one gospel and not four like christians?
     
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    But Jesus was given many gospels.. According to christians four gospels. And it exist also other gospels that is not in the Bible
     
  18. firedragon

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    Yes. Muslims believe in One Gospel that was sent as revelation to Jesus. The verse you gave itself describes a lot. Jesus was taught the Taurath, and he was given the Gospel, which would be the criterion or the Furqan for him.
     
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    True. Christians believe in four gospels. But they dont claim "Jesus was given many gospels". Never.
     
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    But which one of the four gospels?
     
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