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The Gift of Set

1137

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Human beings, as well as a few other species to some extent, have something unique about them. While most of the universe goes by unquestioning, some species are able to ponder the world around them. Where a majority of “stuff” out there is wholly slaved to gravity, sunlight, sickness, etc., others have the ability to step aside from all this by way of the isolate consciousness – and individual “self” which can step aside from the world around us. Where this ability is minor, we can see the slight foundations of language, perhaps some use of tools, sexual fetishes, and things of that nature. In humans, this isolate intelligence is taken to the extreme. The planet that birthed us is enslaved to the gravity of the sun, but we can fly away from it. The earth can through viruses and bacteria at us, but we have an increasing ability to fight back against them. Even our lives are increasing in length, due to numerous victories of human beings over the flow of nature. This isolate intelligence, then, is likely to be something “unnatural”. A river does not turn back on itself, not without something other than itself forcing it to. But this is exactly what the isolate consciousness does, turns back against nature, questions it, manipulates it, fights back against it. The isolate consciousness (a) wants to survive as its own entity, and (b) wants to constantly change the world around it.

So who initiated this? Who was the first Form/Principle/God of isolate consciousness? As we said, a river does not turn back on itself, nor does the earth simply float away from the sun. Something had to cause it. This is Set, the deity who through human history has stood for everything “separate, isolated.” Set was the only god free of Maat, the only one who could shake the Order of Horus, kill the Stasis of Osiris, force the hand of Thoth who himself Writes the future.

What is the evidence of all this? (1) That the human psyche can violate what some call the “natural order.” We need not be entirely enslaved to our environment or even to our physiology. While this may not be true for all (or most?) humans, such as those with severe mental illness or a failure at introspection, it is certainly true is some, and possible in many. Psychology proves it, by having people mentally overcome the physiological disorder of depression, or by having them question themselves and change their behavior. (2) Human beings, as a species have existed for around 200,000 years. This means out structure, our brains, our body hair, all then would resemble what we look like now. There was nothing overly special, some tricks picked up from ancestors, brains structured similarly to other mammalian brains. Then, only 100,000 – 50,000 years ago humanity made a massive cognitive leap forwards. Humans began asking questions, forming societies, writing records, forming laws, creating art, etc. ad infinitum. 100,000 – 50,000 years ago, Set, the Form/Principle/God of isolate consciousness, gave human beings (and others?) a Gift, the only Gift he had to give. Why? Because the isolate consciousness wants to constantly change the world around it.
 

Covellite

Active Member
Evolution, with its ever increasing order and complexity, appears impossible in the natural world. Every complex form in nature, according to science should become less and less complex until it becomes infinitely simple. For example, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics - the total amount of entropy in nature is increasing.
It's a classic mystery of Synergy vs. Entropy. Synergy/Evolution/Human intelligence - is in that way unnatural, or science is wrong.
Synergy needs external influence, so evolution and human intelligence also.
IMO, Set is a good candidate for developing human isolated consciousness.
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
These things are of great interest to me personally, and it reminds me of the theory that something happened during a certain time in early human evolution, prehistorically, which catapulted us from one stage in our evolution to that of another where we start finding 17,000 year old cave drawings. This is known as the so-called "missing link" in human evolution, and could perhaps be that point when Set came first to this world and infused within us, and perhaps other Earthly creatures, his own Essence, Isolate Intelligence and a heightened sense of Self -- the Gift of Set. Of course this time period between X-"missing link"-Y could be 100,000's to even millions of years. Remember the opening sequences in the film "2001 A Space Odyssey"? The black monolith being the Set-entity.
 
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1137

Here until I storm off again
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These things are of great interest to me personally, and it reminds me of the theory that something happened during a certain time in early human evolution, prehistorically, which catapulted us from one stage in our evolution to that of another where we start finding 17,000 year old cave drawings. This is known as the so-called "missing link" in human evolution, and could perhaps be that point when Set came first to this world and infused within us, and perhaps other Earthly creatures, his own Essence, Isolate Intelligence and I heightened sense of Self -- the Gift of Set. Of course this time period between X-"missing link"-Y could be 100,000's to even millions of years. Remember the opening sequences in the film "2001 A Space Odyssey"? The black monolith being the Set-entity.

This paragraph looks familiar... ;-)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Then, only 100,000 – 50,000 years ago humanity made a massive cognitive leap forwards

No evidence for such.

We are almost identical today as we were 200,000 years ago intellectually speaking.

Humans began asking questions, forming societies, writing records, forming laws, creating art, etc. ad infinitum. 100,000 – 50,000 years ago

false.

We did no start societies until roughly 13000 ish years ago, when we went started seasonal agriculture and started being semi nomadic

Real large cities and did not even start until roughly 6000 years ago.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Set, the Form/Principle/God of isolate consciousness

Ancient people had no idea how to describe consciousness. Even in biblical times spirits controlled good and bad thoughts.

And with every different culture, you had different descriptions.

Spirits and deities started as a way for people who did not understand nature, to be able to explain what hey did not know. A god made it rain, a god made animals fertile, a god gave you health, a god did everything. Life was extremely brutal and sometime survival was due to luck alone.

This luck was attributed to imaginary deities.
 

Covellite

Active Member
to: @outhouse
science is true until proven false
the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
missing link is a just a theory, but still many people are involved in scientific research of a "missing link" theory because there is a solid basis for that
 

outhouse

Atheistically
missing link is a just a theory, but still many people are involved in scientific research of a "missing link" theory because there is a solid basis for that

There is no missing link, we are all transitional species. We have plenty to substantiate the FACTs of evolution.

Evolution is not up fro debate here.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

We have mountains of evidence

So your reply is really non sequitur in full
 

1137

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Premium Member
No evidence for such.

We are almost identical today as we were 200,000 years ago intellectually speaking.

This is blatant ignorance, the upper paleolithic revolution is well known in anthropology.

false.

We did no start societies until roughly 13000 ish years ago, when we went started seasonal agriculture and started being semi nomadic

Real large cities and did not even start until roughly 6000 years ago.

I'm well aware that societies only advanced after the advent of the human psyche in the upper paleolithic. Thank you for supporting our position.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
This is blatant ignorance,.

On your part?

the upper paleolithic revolution is well known in anthropology.


http://www.newarchaeology.com/uprevolution/

However, the last 15 years have seen a shift in our understanding away from the view of a dramatic change and toward a more gradual evolution of primitive to modern humans.

However arguments against the UPR have gained in strength in the intervening years. They are based on two points, one philosophical, the other material.

the evidence dug up from the soil in the last 15 years has pretty much destroyed the concept of a UPR occuring 30000 years ago.

Chris Brown (updated 2016)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
What societies formed 50000 to 100000 years ago?

We are talking about nomadic people that really do not conform to the definition of a "society".

We are talking about hunter gatherers.

Your misunderstanding UPR is obvious. It was about small changes we see based on evidence found. There were no cities are villages at this time. There was no agriculture as found after the last ice age. Thing is we are constantly finding more evidence that shows the human mind did not have ANY drastic changes as you describe.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
What societies formed 50000 to 100000 years ago?

We are talking about nomadic people that really do not conform to the definition of a "society".

We are talking about hunter gatherers.

Your misunderstanding UPR is obvious. It was about small changes we see based on evidence found. There were no cities are villages at this time. There was no agriculture as found after the last ice age. Thing is we are constantly finding more evidence that shows the human mind did not have ANY drastic changes as you describe.

Yes, these all happened after the advent of the psyche 100,000-50,000 years ago. How could they happen before? Back then we were just your basic animal was some fancy traits, bound to living like such. Also, 100,000-50,000 is much longer ago than your article of 30,000, so, uh, duh?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Back then we were just your basic animal

Ridiculous.

Start substantiating some of these perceived wild claims.

We had the same intellect 200,000 years ago.

Man already used fire and made stone tools before Homo Sapiens even existed.

But I digress we are still animals, so your statement is nothing more then rhetoric.
 

1137

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what part of your rhetoric has anything to do with Egyptian mythology?

The being Set was first realized in Egyptian myth.

provide credible sources.

Ridiculous.

Start substantiating some of these perceived wild claims.

We had the same intellect 200,000 years ago.

Man already used fire and made stone tools before Homo Sapiens even existed.

But I digress we are still animals, so your statement is nothing more then rhetoric.

http://m.dio.sagepub.com/content/54/2/3.short

http://m.pnas.org/content/98/13/6993.short

http://cogprints.org/3417/

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10816-010-9093-9

http://m.pnas.org/content/98/13/7641.short

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-1507-8_5
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Not credible.

Supply the sentences that support your claims of Egyptian mythology to Behavioral modernity.

Links refute NOTHING

example which refutes your rhetoric in FULL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity

Several critiques have been placed against the traditional concept of behavioral modernity, both methodologically and philosophically.[2][15] Shea (2011) outlines a variety of problems with this concept, arguing instead for "behavioral variability", which, according to the author, better describes the archaeological record.
 
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