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The Geopolitical Weaponization of "Democracy"

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Debater Slayer, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    India does not go against Russia, Israel, Iran, Myanmar due to its geopolitical compulsions. Other countries have their own compulsions.
     
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    The United States is not a democracy. It's a capitalist plutocracy. And it behaves like a capitalist plutocracy. Always has. But neither the capitalist plutocrats nor the general public want to admit openly to being a capitalist plutocracy so we all hide behind the illusion of our being a democratic republic, and we hide our selfish actions at home and in the world behind the mask of democracy, and of spreading democracy in the world. But the truth is that all our actions at home and in the world are based on how they will effect the profits of our capitalist investors. And it's always been that way.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Do you vote in elections?
     
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    Oh look. Another “America sucks” thread. How quaint.
     
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    When the oligarchs own all the candidates, there is no real choice between them, no matter which one we vote for.

    It's why everything just keeps getting worse no matter who wins an election. We call this a democracy but it's not. Our elections are mostly just theater. So we can all pretend to ourselves that we have a say in the way things will go. When we don't.
     
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  6. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I missed your answer.
    Do you vote in elections?
     
  7. PureX

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    It's not an answer that matters, nor an answer that you have any right to. I vote because I want them to know that I will. But of course that only matters to the individual candidate, and only until he gets into office. Then he's the minion of those that paid to put him there, just like his opponent. And they will pay to keep him there only as long as he does as they tell him. My vote buys me no representation at all. It's just part of the theater. Democracy without representation is just theater.
     
  8. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    So you won't answer.
    So you did answer.

    I detect belief in democracy
    while denying its existence.
    When behavior & beliefs are
    at odds, something's wrong.
     
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    It's not an answer that matters, nor an answer that you have any right to. I vote because I want them to know that I will. But of course that only matters to the individual candidate, and only until he gets into office. Then he's the minion of those that paid to put him there, just like his opponent. And they will pay to keep him there only as long as he does as they tell him. My vote buys me no representation at all. It's just part of the theater. Democracy without representation is just theater.
     
  10. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Posting it twice doesn't make it more cromulent.
     
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    Apparently your eyes weren't working, so I had to post it a second time. :)
     
  12. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    You should've treated it as an
    opportunity to improve the post.
     
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    Why bother? You were going to object no matter what I posted. I live to serve your self-righteousness.
     
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  15. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I don't disagree with your posts simply
    because it's you posting them.
    It's your content that I often (not always)
    find objectionable.
     
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    If you look at USA, during WWII, The USA was fighting all over the world to help the victims of the monarchy invasions of Emperor Hitler and Emperor Hirohito of Japan. Upon defeating both aggressors, the USA was still isolated and stable and had control over a wide range of hurting nations, all over the world due to the war. It could have used its over dog role, as a pretense to control these areas; pay itself back. But instead it helped to rebuild these countries, with very few, trying to pay back that kindness. The USA is a big softy down deep but can fight like a lion when needed.

    Most of the destroyed Western Europe and Japan were rebuilt and became very advanced and modern in a just few decades, still safe from aggression. There was then the Cold War and fear coming from the USSR in Europe and China in the Pacific. The Cold Wars were not normal wars, designed for someone to win. Rather they more like, war machine, style wars, designed to build up military logistics and production capacities; peace through strength. War was restricted to small places, and each was used as theatre for a spy versus spy type of warfare, held in check by mutually assured nuclear destruction.

    After the Cold War start to fizzle, the USA gave back land acquired, to their host countries. For example, we now pay rent to Philippines to use a navel base we built there, that could have been used to control this vast island nation. Instead we set them free, after building them up. Now Viet Nam, a once war torn nation of the Cold is a semi-major manufacturing nation with a good standard of living.

    Democracies have the advantage of free people able to spot problems and discuss them before they get too advanced. Centralized control nations, do not want or have this buffer, and will create a wild card, since the people are not in on the decision early enough to avoid the problems that arise.
     
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    I question democracy in the States. Not because it's not valued or valid, but due to it seeming to slip away from we the people. The two fold reality rests on education and the educated and those without the education to effectively decide the future of our nation. Democracy involves informed involvement. Wait, an effective democracy involves informed involvement. We the people are required to be informed so we the people have the ability to effectively choose our future. International politics compared to national - in terms of being informed I mean. The difference between a 3rd grade education and college degree. It seems we're here, we get to participate, but then we're also being taken for a ride by elites who have that college degree. Our voices matter (to some) at the end of the day, we as 3rd graders rely on local representatives to help us through the political hoops and ladders that bind us as citizens.

    The U.S supports democracy and I would venture to guess values democracy to the extent that we are sometimes silenced for the cause of international efforts for democracy and for the survival of democracy itself.

    We the people are greater than just we the people of this nation.
     
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