Both questions represent an anecdotal subjective questions, without answers,.and are not viable premises for valid logical arguement.
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The free will argument
- Thread starter leroy
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Both questions represent an anecdotal subjective questions, without answers,.and are not viable premises for valid logical arguement.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
well.....I have heard an expression that sounded like....
controlling the dumb masses
some power?......His Power?
some other Self?
pick any Name you CHOOSE to
it will always be spelled.....Almighty
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leroy
Well-Known Member
No, in this context with God I mean any metaphysical reality, it could be the Christian god, the Muslim god, Einstein’s God, or “Mystical new age energy”
Thief
Rogue Theologian
does that God have a mind and emotional heart?
The whole thing seems like kind of a mess, frankly.
For me to say which part is false, it would need to be coherent.
How is that sort of "free will" different from just "will?"
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not believe in anything which cannot be objectively defined, and science can investigate these things. I differ with you. One must have control over his/her words and must know the subject clearly. Don't we now understand relativity and some of Quantum Mechanics?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and did someone twist your arm
and force that denial?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, now do everything as you stated above in objective terms. You can't in practice, you can just subjectively deny that you are subjective.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
The energy concept belongs to Physics, not to metaphysics.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But physics is not everything.
leroy
Well-Known Member
I don’t know, you can call it will, free will or give it an other name, I already defined what I mean, feel free to label that definition however you want.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I tried to explain why we sometimes fail to mention the problem clearly and correctly. Confusion leads to questions like in this OP. What is it that cannot be checked with science?
Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Anthropology, Paleontology, we have put these artificial barriers. Basically the whole of it is just knowledge, science. Even the existence of God and his messengers (prophets / sons / manifestations / mahdis) should be checked with science. People do not do it, because it hurts their cultural and religious beliefs.
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questfortruth
Well-Known Member
The energy is defined as what the Energy-meter is measuring. The time - the clock measures.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
There is no "free will", but the word freewill.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
Actually, free will can't exist if a god that knows the future exists. Free will is only possible in an godless universe.
leroy
Well-Known Member
people like @shunyadragon and @Polymath257 made a similar point
Free will can be defined as the ability to make choices, so if your decision to eat a healthy salad rather than a burger was not 100% constrained by your molecules, electric impulses, the environment, advertisements, etc. you can say that you freely decided to eat that salad. And other way to put it is that you could have chosen differently given the same circumstances. … is there any question on what I mean by free will?
The argument would for premise 1 be:
1 If the material world is all there is then your “choices” will be fully dependent on material stuff like electric impulses, the position of your neurons, molecules in your body etc.
2 material stuff like electric impulses in your brain are fully determined by the laws of nature
Therefore your choices would fully determined by the laws of nature.
So please explain your points of disagreement ¿do you grant that electric impulses in your brain are fully determined by the deterministic (or random) laws of nature? yes or no Do you grant that decisions are fully determined by those electric impulses in your brain (+other material deterministic or random stuff) yes or no
Reed more…
Jerry A. Coyne: You Don't Have Free Will
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
your dreams
science knows we do
when wired up......it knows exactly when and for how long
it cannot explain....the way you WILL dream
or why
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Not so!
The one doesn't follow from the other and further the first one is also not just so. It has a hidden premise.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
If for me?
No, I am weird. I have only faith and no knowledge. I just like to play with the absurd.