The Flying Spaghetti Monster, solipsism and absurdism

[IndigoChild5559]

It is as real as any other religion, just because most government dont recognise it as a religion for tax breaks. It is recognised as a religion in at least 3 countries that i am aware of

No dear. Christianity has actual believers that Jesus is God. Judaism has actual believers that God gave the Torah to Israel through Moses. Hinduism as actual believers in the gods, karma, and the rest. But the FSM has no believers. None. Not even one.

The fact that some countries accept it as a religion just shows how silly some governments can be.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The problem is, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a real religion. For something to be a genuine religion, it must have believers. People who sign up for FSM don't actually believe in any FSM. Rather, they are atheists who use the FSM to mock religion.

Yes, but so what. If I had to choose a theistic religion, that would be the one for me. And no, I am not an atheist. Now get this. If I did believe in it, it would be real. That is how real works for religion as a form of metaphysics. If you believe in it, it is real. That also include all strong positive metaphysical positions include the non-idealistic one.

That is what it requires. The belief in it. Now some non-religious and religious people will claim they know. But they can't all be right. And if you look closer they all do the same.
I do accept all beliefs systems as that and don't judge any as wrong including me. I accept that this is how it works. I am just in practice an agnostic and like to point out there have so far been no positive objective evidence for any of them, including the non-religious ones.

 

[ChristineM]

No dear. Christianity has actual believers that Jesus is God. Judaism has actual believers that God gave the Torah to Israel through Moses. Hinduism as actual believers in the gods, karma, and the rest. But the FSM has no believers. None. Not even one.

The fact that some countries accept it as a religion just shows how silly some governments can be.

Do you think that makes a difference to the laws of 3 differnt countries?

And of course there are countries that dont recognise christianity

Interestingly there are Christians on here who do not believe jc is god .

And i will add the biblical edicts about judging others

The fact is pastafarianism is recognised by both countries and people as a religion and no amount of "no dear" is going to chance that

 

[PureX]

I consider the "flying spaghetti monster" analogy as it relates to theism the way I equate white men wearing black face-paint and behaving like ignoramuses to racial bigotry. It's just a very childish attempt at slandering theists via insulting "mimicry". No one who's perspective matters would be impressed by it.

 

[IAMinyou]

No, that is a belief. There is a minimum of 2 minds involved, you and the rest. That the rest is more than one mind, requires that God is fair or that you are not in a certain variant of a Boltzmann Brain universe.
(1) All truth is relative to a certain limited standpoint.
(2) All claims about what objective reality really is, other than being different than you is a belief.

There is ONE with all MINDS connected to that ONE but you have no idea what the ONE is.

 

[ChristineM]

I consider the "flying spaghetti monster" analogy as it relates to theism the way I equate white men wearing black face-paint and behaving like ignoramuses to racial bigotry. It's just a very childish attempt at slandering theists via insulting "mimicry". No one who's perspective matters would be impressed by it.

Would you say then that christianity is insulting mimicry of Judaism?

Or that islam is insulting mimicry of Christianity?

 

[PureX]

Would you say then that christianity is insulting mimicry of Judaism?

Or that islam is insulting mimicry of Christianity?

No. And I can't even think of an example that you might be referring to. Do you think Christians are only pretending to be religious to slander religious Jews? Or that Muslims are only pretending to be Muslims to insult Christians?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you believe in it, it is real.

If you mean its a real religion, I agree with you. However, no one believes there is a FSM. No one.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Interestingly there are Christians on here who do not believe jc is god .

Look, I don't like getting involved in Christian v. Christian debates, but you should really check into what standard orthodox (not referring to EO) Christianity is.

 

[firedragon]

If people theorise that "what you see can be believed" then how do they believe in the Big Bang theory? There is no way to see it..

 

[ChristineM]

No. And I can't even think of an example that you might be referring to. Do you think Christians are only pretending to be religious to slander religious Jews? Or that Muslims are only pretending to be Muslims to insult Christians?

I am sure you can't

Well yes i do think.

When christianity began and even today there are Jews who consider christianity an insult to Judaism.

And i know from these pages that a great many Christians consider islam a false religion.

Do you know all pastafarians are pretending? I know 2 and their faith is as meaningful to them as Christianity is to some Christians

 

[ChristineM]

Look, I don't like getting involved in Christian v. Christian debates, but you should really check into what standard orthodox (not referring to EO) Christianity is.

Look yourself. You got yourself i to this debate. And who cares how christianity sees itself? I don't l!

What i do care about is that you deny other human beings their faith becase you dont like it

 

[ChristineM]

If you mean its a real religion, I agree with you. However, no one believes there is a FSM. No one.

Thats not what you implied to me.

I know of no non abrahanics who believe in the abrahamic god. None

 

[PureX]

Do you know all pastafarians are pretending?

That, or their lying about not pretending.

I know 2 and their faith is as meaningful to them as Christianity is to some Christians

That means nothing from someone who thinks faith is fiction.

 

[ChristineM]

That, or their lying about not pretending.
That means nothing from someone who thinks faith is fiction.

In your own vane. Why should i believe you?

What has my belief in religion got to do with other peoples faith?

Ahh, i get it, you have nothing you can argue with so blame the atheist. Says so much.

 

[PureX]

In your own vane. Why should i believe you?

What has my belief in religion got to do with other peoples faith?

Ahh, i get it, you have nothing you can argue with so blame the atheist. Says so much.

You're really bad at this adversarial style of discourse. Honestly. Maybe you should try a more poetic/metaphorical approach. Remember that old Star Trek episode where Kirk had to learn how to speak to the aliens using mythical-metaphorical phrases? Maybe something like that would suit your thought patterns, better.

 

[ecco]

If I did believe in it, it would be real.

Descartes: “I think, therefore I am".
mikkel_the_dane: I think, therefore it is.

Ahh. Ain't philosophy grand.

 

[ecco]

It's just a very childish attempt at slandering theists

Not at all like the grown-up slandering of atheists.

 

[icehorse]

So here it is with cultural science: The word "real" doesn't really have an objective referent, just like God or truth and what not. Even reality doesn't have an objective referent.

It seems to me that you are doing some conflating of:

- semantics
- solipsism
- FSM

I really wish you hadn't dragged the FSM into this, it seems that you're mostly arguing for solipsism, no?

 

[ChristineM]

You're really bad at this adversarial style of discourse. Honestly. Maybe you should try a more poetic/metaphorical approach. Remember that old Star Trek episode where Kirk had to learn how to speak to the aliens using mythical-metaphorical phrases? Maybe something like that would suit your thought patterns, better.

Adversarial? You are the one denying the faith of people you have no comprehension of.

And so you fall back on sarcasm and fail even with that , how sad