I am amazed at how little this guy knows about the subject he wants to attack others about.
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The flaws in Intelligent design
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Timothy Spurlin
Active Member
My point is your believing a lie that your god is real.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I'm not. I've seen it far too many times among internet creationists.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Okay.
Audie
Veteran Member
We do not get the impression you have studied very much,
after seeing all the mistakes you make on simple basic things.
If by intelligent design, you mean the intelligent design movement, then yes, they can. Belief in God is belief in an intelligent designer if you want to use that term, but that is not the same as showing that God exists through the use of science.
What would you believe if the intelligent design movement were correct and they showed that the creator was Allah or an alien? How would you justify a continued belief in the Bible?
I am not worried about these doors opening, because the movement cannot achieve the goal of demonstrating design, let alone who a designer might be. But by claiming design, they open the door up to any designer and we are right back where we started with belief as the only distinguishing characteristic.
Forever_Catholic
Active Member
Try again, and don't refer to God as an "it." Try thinking of God as your creator, who loves you. Approach Him with trust instead of a requirement for objective evidence. And it's okay to pray for understanding.
I should not be. He seems typical of creationists I have encountered before too.
There are many Christian values that I find disturbingly lacking in creationists.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Shut up, Audie.
Aren't you claiming that the objective evidence for God exists?
Audie
Veteran Member
Ha. Be not amazed. Those who know the subject realize
they are to date no known facts contrary to ToE.
Even if they feel it must be wrong they dont want to look
stupid with creoguments like that entropy thing.
I did not get that impression either, but creationists are good at giving that impression and then demonstrating it to be a fact.
Forever_Catholic
Active Member
Learn something from you maybe? You haven't even tried.
Timothy Spurlin
Active Member
If you go by the Bible god created only Adam and Eve. Your parents created you when they had sex.
I should not say 'amazed' or even 'surprised' at the approach to science that I see taken so regularly by creationists. I think what amazes me really is that it never changes despite it never working.
Audie
Veteran Member
Not to argue but, no, they are not good at it. They may fool themselves,
or fellow-creos but someone who is educatrd?
No more than i would fool the fans if I tried to narrate for a football game.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
That's one of the reasons the Mencken quote in my signature is so poignant.
Jollybear
Hey
Im sure they will, but my logic reigns supreme.
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dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Uhmn....I don't see how one could refute the idea of an intelligent designer, no.
However, one can certainly go about studying the design. One would use, of course, the same methods that someone who did not believe in an ultimate 'Intelligent Designer" would use. Whether there is an "Intelligent Designer" (God) or not will always end up being kicked down the road, and is a matter of subjective belief.
[QUOTE="Subduction Zone, post: 5983644, member: 63191At least it looks as if you know that when IDists talk about a 'designer' they are really trying to sneak God into the equation.[/QUOTE]
Of course they are. An intelligent designer of the universe would be God...by definition.