That I can understand, but there are a million third party/independent/write in candidates you could pick to accomplish that. If you're a lefty, I don't understand voting for a right wing candidate.
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THE First Democratic Primary Debate Thread
- Thread starter Left Coast
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I think O'Rourke will ultimately lose out. Pete Buttigieg has stolen most of his thunder, and he also has much more substantive policy positions and statements to boot. O'Rourke has already made enough gaffes to where I think he'll peter out by the end of the year. I don't want any of the Democrats to seem like a "student" of anybody else; I'd just vote for the master in that case. I want to see each of them bring fresh, substantive ideas to the table that go beyond mere talking points and get to concrete, on-the-ground proposals that the public can actually examine and talk about. What are each of them going to do about the immense amount of plastic pollution making its way into the oceans? What will they do about the plastic already there? How will they make it so that health care costs get cut in half and go back down to what they were in 2000, when you could get health care for a family of four (with coverage for pre-existing conditions included) for $100 a month? What about drug costs? I want to hear them talk about issues that directly affect my quality of life as an average American.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
IMO, the Libertarian party has the best chance to break the 3rd Party barrier. Currently, and probably for several years, they have no chance of winning the WH, but they've made several inroads in local and state elections.
If the Democrats want to win the WH, they'll need to convince a majority that their candidate is much better than the current President loafing on the WH couch.
dybmh
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I don't trust anyone who panders to minorities and activists just so they can get woke points. And I especially don't trust someone who is so willing to pander that they would knowingly lie about their own race for decades, even on official documentation. I want a candidate who has concrete ideas and shows some authenticity and honesty. So far, Tulsi, Yang and Buttigieg sound like those kinds of people to me.
dybmh
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Thank you.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
And I think it is obvious that the Democrats didn't learn the lesson of 2016. I guess we might as well call it in and look forward to 4 more years of Trump.2016 called, they want their worst primary argument back.
according to www.isidewith.com the candidate that best matches my priorities is Tulsi Gabbard with 92%
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Shadow Wolf
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Sometimes Libertarian candidates are better. One I voted for, for example, not only made the community a ca.paign priority, he had done much work before for the community. He was by far and large the vastly superior choice over Pence and the Conservative-leaning Dem that was running for governor of Indiana.
What lesson is that?
Passing universal healthcare legislation is very achievable in a Sanders presidency.
Ensuring that Social Security isn't privatized and Medicaid/Medicare are protected/expanded is very achievable in a Sanders presidency.
Moving the country in the direction of renewable energy rather than fossil fuels is very achievable in a Sanders presidency.
Reducing the Defense budget and reallocating those funds to programs that actually need them is very achievable in a Sanders presidency.
And who could forget, expansion of public education - again very achievable in a Sanders presidency.
Edit to add: I will grant that whether Reps can retain control of the Senate will play a large factor in how achievable these things are.
My argument isn't that libertarians shouldn't vote for Bernie over Trump. My argument is that lefties shouldn't vote for a libertarian over a centrist Dem, who is much more likely to implement policies that align with progressive goals.
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Daemon Sophic
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I don’t follow you.
Names change. The titles of “Democrat” or “Republican” are fleeting.
It is the stance that matters.
Left has and always will equate with Progressivism, Liberalism, Individualism, Liberty, Freedom, Choice, Equality.
Right has and always will = Conservatism, Conformity, Authoritarianism, Uniform and formalized rules covering all aspects of life and mind.
- Economically, either one can be successful, via adaptivity and flexibility vs stick-to-it-ness and patience.
- Neither one shirks hard work and gumption.
So, while “Right” might be your opinion of ‘pro-economic’, it has never meant ‘liberty’.
I identify libertarians as right wing because their political philosophy is generally born out of opposition to most/all government, which they share with conservatives. In those areas where they might agree with a left-wing policy, they do so from an anti-government perspective. Even though their policies at times depart from Pubs, their logic comes from the same philosophical basis.
I would virtually guarantee that it will. People would be able to purchase supplemental insurance on top of Medicare.
Don't count your eggs yet, undoing those programs is high on the GOP to do list.
And as we've already seen, it won't happen under GOP leadership.
Lol am I a real liberal, Rev?
I thought I said so. Opposition to government.
Daemon Sophic
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Everything you cite in this post is prit much part of the Democratic platform.
I urge libertarians to vote Progressive/Democratic.
It has always been the only viable choice for what they want/need.
The Centrist (New Democrats) are every bit warmongers as the right, it's just they don't use it as a platform to energize their base.
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You asked me, silly goose. Feel free to correct the record.
I think it's an exaggeration to say they're "every bit" warmongers as the Right. Too hawkish, yes I'd agree. But that rationalization for voting 3rd party in 2016 has been debunked in the Trump era. Would Clinton have pulled out of the Iran deal? Would she be gearing up for war there? Would she have pissed off and alienated almost all our allies? Doubtful.The Centrist (New Democrats) are every bit warmongers as the right, it's just they don't use it as a platform to energize their base.
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