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Featured The Father caters to the pedophile's whims

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Spiderman

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    If you don't believe in the Devil this question obviously isn't for you.

    I consider the Devil to be a pedophile because he is, and God is his primary enabler. I love God but I can still call him out on his cruel treatment of his creatures to try to get our irresponsible Father to change his ways. I think God is sick , and if anybody went to a psychiatrist and said they heard the voice of God tell them to sacrifice their only son to him, that psychiatrist would have them put away or at least diagnose them very mentally ill.

    God asked of Abraham to kill his own kid, and if you are Christian, then you believe God wanted his son to be tortured, humiliated, crowned with torns, and executed. By modern standards that is sick and bad parenting. I consider nothing more noble than to call God out on his Savage barbaric cruelty, because it might actually get him to repent and change. God might reward you for fighting him. Israel means "contender with God".

    For those who do believe, answer me this question: if a Father lets a registered pedophile in the same room with his children, knowing in advance that the pedophile wants to molest them, isn't the Father guilty for what happens? Especially if the Father can read the pedophile's mind and see that the registered sex-offender has a burning passionate desire to ravage his children beforehand. Yes indeed, that Father has enabled the pedophile and placed his children in danger already knowing what will happen.

    The worst ISIS terrorist, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and John Gacy combined are not as evil, hateful, or dangerous as the Devil. Why does God allow a pedophile and serial killer to rape and murder countless of his children year after year, century after century, when he alone has the power to lock the rapist and murderer up so that he has no ability to harm anyone else?

    Well, it's because we obviously have a Father that wants some of his children to be raped and murdered, and that is obvious. My question is, why?

    You can say free will, but that is bs. There is an enemy that prowls like a roaring lion, and God doesn't even give us the eyes to see him. God could kill or incarcerate that lion and it would not violate free will. So don't use that argument please.

    You can say, it's not God's fault it's man's fault. No, that isn't true. God made the devil and gave him his abilities and allowed the devil into the garden of Eden to tempt and deceive Eve. Then God cursed us with original sin, making us more inclined to want to commit evil. So God is at fault for our fallen nature , and that is obvious. God could erase the curse and he refuses to.

    Then God leaves us blind and confused so that most people under the influence of the devil do not know they are under the influence of the devil. Then God refuses to protect us or open our eyes or even be faithful to the very promises he made in his word.

    That is all factual and I can prove it and already did. There is no valid argument to state that God is not at fault for the evil in our world. Scripture says God created evil. The question is, why?

    It's good to fight with God and point out his cruelty and present your grievances. He sometimes listens to reason and accepts correction. Moses got God to repent of the evil that he wanted to do to Israel. So can you.

    I know you're reading this Mr. God!
     
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    Unveiled Artist Windmills of your mind

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    I know this may go unnoticed but pedophile is attraction to children. What you're referring to is child molestation which is not related to who one is attracted to and what age. A person's attraction (regardless the age and person) does not lead one to sexual molest a person.

    As for the devil thing, I can see why the devil would be connected to child molestation. Though, I'm not so certain why this "sin" is seen over say murder. Maybe the devil has an equal relationship with all sins without division.

    Shrugs.
     
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    I would rather be murdered a dozen times than live a full tormented, broken, disordered life of someone who was sexually abused as a child. I have seen some of these people in the institutions I've been to and I'd much rather die than go through their chronic shame, anger, and mental and emotional disturbances as well as sexual disorders.

    So, I just refer to Satan as a pedophile because he is responsible for it and calling him a murderer isn't quite as shameful a title.

    Plus, in prison, murderers are often treated with respect while pedophiles are hated, so in some ways "pedophile" is a bigger insult than "murderer".

    I'd much rather be murdered than severely sexually abused and then survive it, especially if it was to happen to me as a kid.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Windmills of your mind

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    I can definitely see that. Theoretically, I see murder and child molestation both wrong. I'm not one to talk down calling people monsters with one "sin" over another etc because of their actions. That's defining and judging the person rather than the action. I can see why people would see it that way.
     
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    You(or any human) can't really know anything(compared to God's knowledge) so you complain about things you don't understand just because you don't understand them. If you did understand then you would know what is going on and then you wouldn't complain.

    There is only one way to hold on to the end and that's through faith. Just like Jacob held on to Him no matter what happened until he got his blessing ... Jacob didn't let go of God. Do you think it was easy to hold on all night? That's faith that doesn't give up on God no matter what it looks like and what it feels like.

    And God fights us so that we will win. That's a foreign concept to us humans because we always fight so we will win. But God fights us so we can win.

    And faith is more than only believing in God. It's also believing God is good and a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
     
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    That's true. Satan does this on purpose. But people can be healed/delivered from all that past through Jesus Christ. And many already have been. But what happens is that when someone does these things to a small children then the child becomes vulnerable to demonic incursion. In fact any traumatic event can be exploited by demons to invade. Not necessarily always successful, but they do try.

    So demons can enter the child from an early age and are harder to get rid of (when the child has grown up) because the kid has developed and grown up with the demon. It's like when a tree grows around something in it's way. See, you have a real problem extracting that thing from the tree then. But they can be delivered. But they must also be healed at the same time. Because removing the demon causes damage.

    Then the shame, guilt, mental problems etc. will go away because the demon was causing it. Although the healing process could take time because the wound is still present. But, God's power is unstoppable and His love is extreme for them. He was with them the whole time.

    Anyway, this is why S.R.A. is a real thing. It's satanic ritual abuse. They abuse children to induct them or indoctrinate them into the satanic cult. They're all Satan worshipers and were most likely abused themselves as children. It's disgusting but necessary knowledge for anyone who wants to know what is really going on in this world and how to fight against it. These people are not often open satanists. They're "good decent" people on the surface. Doctors, lawyers. Pastors ... priests ... who knows? They are living double lives.

    Rest assured they will be punished with excruciating fire from God (unless they repent; and they are welcome to do so) but until then; they must be opposed. But, only with help from God. Because Satan can kill and he does. So he kills people who come against his kingdom without protection. Not a joke, people die all the time because satan. Not that he just kills randomly. Always to protect his kingdom or etc.

    Satan's kingdom is very real on earth(humans and earth bound spirits) and in other realms(fallen angels). But ... yeah nothing to fear if God is on your side; if you really want to fight. Then fight satan, not God.
     
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    I get rewarded greatly when I do evil deeds. Things tend to fall in my favor.

    ...The paedophile stuff though, I have no relationship with. I can't imagine what it's like to be a paedophile or to have been someone molested by one. I think I'd be strong enough to forgive my molester and move on and forget it.

    I think people who reminisce on their child molestations are acting out. Basically they need to forgive their molesters, and grow up.
     
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    I think that the RopeAPope is a pretty smart dude.

    You wrote out your note very well.

    But as well written as it was, I still don't think that you know what you're talking about.

    I think 74X12 did a good job answering the questions.

    But I don't think any of us understands what's going on down here.

    It's beyond our pay grade.

    So my advice would be to use more care at how you address God.

    He might not think it's as cute as you think it may be.

    "And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. - Matthew 12:32

    He will.

    He is going to.

    The Devil and his followers are going to be incarcerated and killed.

    Annihilated.

    Some will linger in the fire longer than others.

    Some will be beaten with many stripes, some with few.

    But in the end, the wicked will be ashes under the feet of the Saints.

    "Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act," says the LORD Almighty. - Malachi 4:3

    But we are not in the timezone for this to happen right now.

    We could be closer than we think.

    But while the angels are watching, I'm sure nothing is covered up that will not be uncovered in due time.

    "Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. - Matthew 10:26

    This is in God's department.

    God will right all wrongs.

    God will wipe away every tear from our eyes.

    10,000 years from now, none of this will matter.

    Jesus will make all things new again.

    That's when life will REALLY begin for us.

    Not here.

    "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. - Isa 45:7​

    But this is not what the original Hebrew says.

    That word translated as "evil" is the word ra.

    It also means sorrow, calamity, disaster, afflictions, and adversity.

    It might more accurately be translated as:

    "I form the light and create darkness,
    I bring prosperity and create disaster;
    I, the LORD, do all these things
    JustARopeAPopePope and ARumpAPum Pum.
    Me and my Drum.

    I am a poor boy too
    Pa rum pum pum-pum
    I have no gift to bring
    Pa rum pum pum-pum

    That's fit to give our King
    Pa rum pum pum-pum
    Rum pum pum-pum
    Rum pum pum-pum
     
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    I find the saying: "no good deed goes unpunished" to be true in this world. I see that as counterproductive.

    Perhaps God would be so kind as to give me knowledge on why that seems to be.
     
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    The world hates you.

    “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. - John 15

    Jesus was saying that the Son of Man has no place to rest His head here.

    He said that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until He drinks it new with us in His Father's kingdom.

    He told us to lay up for ourselves treasure in heaven.

    In this world moth and rust doth destroy them.

    This world is passing away.

    You might not have to go Home,
    but we can't stay here.

    “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. - Matthew 6:19

    In the world you shall have tribulation:
    but be of good cheer;
    He has overcome the world. - John 16:33
     
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    A very interesting thesis.

    Im sure someone like you would have heard of Marcion of Sinope. He was a Christian and a pious one at that. Being a Christian he thought like you. And he came with a revolutionary and a seriously out of the world theory to provide a solution to his dilemma.

    I dont wish to say much because i think you may know this story.

    Nevertheless, i am enthused to see what objective responses you will get. Thanks.
     
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  12. Spiderman

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    I rated your post winner because you spoke so highly of Jacob who is my favorite Old Testament person. Mussolini is my favorite statesman and Mussolini means Jacob and both Jacob and Mussolini married a woman named Rachel, both contended with God and people, both practiced magic and were superstitious, both lived up to the meaning of the name of Jacob which means To supplant, to remove from power and replace, both were schemers, deceivers, and manipulators and thieves, and both of them acted the same in many ways, so my theory is that Jacob prefigured and overshadowed Benito Mussolini, the founder of Fascism, Dictator of Italy for 23 years, creator of what is today the Independent Vatican City State, the man who destroyed and dismantled a 1st world Democracy and replaced it's leader without having to fire a shot.
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    At any rate yes, Jacob fought with God and God let him win. God wanted to know what it's like to get overpowered and defeated by one of his creatures.

    However, I'm not mistaken in saying that God is responsible for the Evil that is in our world. He absolutely is and it can be easily proven if we go by the belief that God is omnipotent and can do anything.
     
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    How do you know that removing a Demon causes damage? I've been a drug addicts since I was 12 and a pornography addict since I was 8. Those demons have been deeply entrenched and intertwined into me causing deep seated illness and disorder. What kind of damage will it do to remove those demons? Can't God heal the damage? Why doesn't he?

    It makes me sick that Satan worshippers and pedophiles were so often abused as children. Since they act that way as a result of abuse, they don't deserve hell fire. They deserve the healing that God refuses to give them. They would be better off dead. That is why abortion can be such a good necessary evil. Better to die young and pure than to be an unwanted pregnancy from a dysfunctional immoral union and grow up into a monster, then go to Hell. It makes me sick that God would not protect people from Demons, especially children. It goes to show how cruel God is.
     
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    Speaking against God is a good thing when God is being cruel. Forming a person in a womb of a dysfunctional couple, letting that person get abused as a child, letting that child be haunted by Demons, watching that abused child turn into a monster and abuser and angry hateful perverted person, then burning that child in hell is simply the epitome of cruel and you know it. Yet it happens all the time....You knot that is cruelty, depressing, and an outrage, if you have a conscience that is.
     
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    I actually don't know who Marcion of Sinope is, neither do I know of what his revolutionary theories or solution is. Would you care to share anything that interests you about him or his theories and solution?
     
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    Oh. I didnt say that he has a solution, he made his own solution to solve his problem or dilemma.

    Mind you Marcion was a faithful Christian, rich guy, funded a lot of evangelism and is recorded to have had the first ever canon of the New Testament before any other elder. His dilemma was that the God of the old testament was a tyrannical, wrathful God who vanquished people at his whim, rightfully or not. And the God of the New Testament is not a God like that but a God of love who speaks things like Give the other cheek.

    So he came up with his own theory. That there are two Gods. Two Gods. This was called the Marcion Heresy and of course he was shunned.

    So being a staunch Christian he had the same dilemma you spoke of in your OP.
     
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    1. With all due respect, Satan worshippers having been abused as children i dont know much, but i do believe that its your perception but not found in valid research. Have there been any studies on this?

    2. There have been a lot of studies done on pedophilia but i have not so far read a proper study that links pedophilia to childhood abuse of the person in this condition. If you have any studies i don't mind reading them.
     
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    It's not that God let Jacob win. That's not the point here. God gave Jacob the chance to win something. It was a test. And it wasn't because God wanted to lose to one of His creatures (as if that kind of thing matters to God) It was so that Jacob could obtain something valuable.

    And there's no real reward without a real struggle.
    According to 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, we always know only in part in this life time and even prophecies are only in part. And we see through a mirror dimly ... That is we see as if only reflections of what is true and even the reflections are dim. Now, you are claiming to have all the knowledge necessary to pass judgment on God. A being that clearly knows more than you do and indeed, must have all things figured out and everything in order.

    So, this is why the Bible says that since we can't know enough to really know what's going on; then we should walk by faith and not by sight. (2 Corinthians 5:7)

    So we must believe God is good and keep going no matter what lies satan tells us. And be like Jacob. Never let go of God.

    This is the only way to make it because the just will live by their faith.
     
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    I know this from people in deliverance ministry.

    I don't know that just because you had those problems that means you were demonized as a child. I'm talking about literal demons(evil spirits) not just problems or issues you may call your "demon".

    But even if you do have literal demons from childhood; God can indeed heal the damage they would do being cast out. So it's no problem. Just something for people to think about who are casting demons out. They should be praying for healing also at the same time.
    There comes a point when they must be held accountable for their actions. When they're adults and and in possession of their own free will. They may not and are not allowed to continue in such evil. They are welcome to repent and I hope they do.

    As for healing, God far from refuses it. They will get healing so long as they repent. People have escaped such things by the way thanks to Jesus Christ.
    Sure, a lot of people could say that.
    Sure unintended! Who is anyone to decide who lives or dies other than God?
    I agree, but yet we have idiots who blame God for still-births. So, maybe God does take a lot of babies on purpose! I see nothing wrong with it.

    But, that still doesn't give people the right to abort. You know it's still God's decision. You could abort a good person that grew up good and became a life saving doctor or something as easily as an evil monster person!
    God protects a lot of people but He doesn't go against free will which is the basis for witchcraft. So if people freely accept demons and bring them into their lives then God will allow it. Then those demons cause harm to innocent people. Especially their children. So it's stupid to be a sorcerer/witch. They aren't just harming themselves; but many other people. They're bringing whole communities into demonic bondage. Don't blame God unless you think it's a good idea to take away free will from humans.

    The counteraction is to pray and prayers to God are stronger than witchcraft against evil. They have the opposite effect compared to witchcraft. Instead of allowing demons to do what they want in human communities; they allow God to do what He wants. That's why praying for the Father's will on earth as it is in heaven is one thing Jesus included in His prayer. Because God's will isn't being done on earth all the time. It has to be battled for and that's spiritual warfare.
     
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    It’s not God, it is sin and people do those things, they choose it. People are vile, wretched, depraved sinners. Are people not accountable for their choices and actions? Blame God for everything...?
     
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