kidnic said:
Of course, you haven't shown where DNA can come about without design either...
That would be because the title of this thread is "Evidence FOR ID Thread". See how that works? We try to stay on topic, by addressing the evidence for ID - which, so far, has been hard to do - since you have produced NONE.
kidnic said:
On the flipside, you really have twisted my argument around. This is what I am saying:
(from post # 11)
kidnic said:
For someone to create DNA in a laboratory, it requires intelligence and design. Namely, the intelligence and design of the scientist working in the lab. We therefore conclude that given some intelligence and design, we can have some DNA.
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2. DNA has never been shown to be created with our current methods of design.
Now, how in the world could I misunderstand? If I twisted your argument, I apologize - but reading these two statements, it certainly appears that you made the argument that man producing DNA in a lab environment would lead us to conclude intelligent design, and in the next statement, you are saying that we cannot conclude anything from it.
kidnic said:
On the other hand, where have we witnessed the creation of DNA without any intelligence or design involved?
We haven't. What's the point? This is the classic Argument from Ignorance - that your good friend Passerbye was never able to come to grips with. Please understand this - if you could prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that evolution was a complete hoax, with not one iota of truth - it would still NOT be evidence FOR ID. If you get nothing else from this thread (or this post), please learn this one immutable fact.
kidnic said:
We can conclude multiple things from this. One being that we need a better method of design than we have now if we want to create DNA.
Agreed.
kidnic said:
The other being that because of the implications of the senctence directly preceding this one, this is evidence that DNA requires intelligence and design to be able to form.
Not even close.
IF, and when, you understand logic, it's basic categories of fallacies, and how to construct a valid argument, you might have a chance of advancing your position. Until then, you merely persist in repeating your mantra of foolishness. Unfortunately, extreme repetition does nothing to bolster your position - it merely underscores your lack of understanding, and reveals an unwillingness to learn.
TVOR