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The ending of the era of Philosophical thought

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The famous astrophysicist and the amateur philosopher the "false atheist" Stephen Hawking has written in his famous book "Grand Design":

Might it was caused by his "false atheism"? The "false atheism" is the denial of Religion, but the False Atheism is not a religion itself? I tend to think, that rejection of the Beginning ("In the beginning - God", to my memory: Bible) has devalued the value of Wisdom and Knowledge in the mind of the astrophysicist.

What's False Atheism? Faking a lack of acceptance in any of the various God beliefs that are available?

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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Philosophy: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics; the original meaning of the word philosophy comes from the Greek roots philo- meaning "love" and -sophos, or "wisdom." When someone studies philosophy they want to understand how and why people do certain things and how to live a good life. -- Vocabulary.com

I like Philosophy but Philosophy provides no answers. That's not Philosophy's fault IMO. You sit around talking about stuff which has no answers. Yes folks investigate questions, not answer them. Sure people who study Philosophy want to understand why people do certain things, it just never really has an answer for that. Just more questions.

Philosophy asks the questions, science answers them. I suppose at some point science may answer enough questions that there won't be any more.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
This argument is incredibly poor. Firstly, the premise doesn't follow. "There is a God" does not equal "We are not deterministic robots", and "there is no God" does not equal "We are deterministic robots". It is quite possible for there to be no God and for us to still have free will, and it is also possible that God exists and we don't have free will. In fact, depending on the definition of God, if an omniscient God exists then humans cannot possibly have free will.
Look, if there is the God (and He is), then His favorite book is Bible. The Bible is very special book, it deals with problems of evil, betray, stupidity, atheism, etc. So, God knows, what the boy is not a robot!
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Please demonstrate this.


Okay, at this stage, I have to assume you're a poe. Are you?
Opposer: "Okay, at this stage, I have to assume you're a poe. Are you? Please demonstrate, what the Bible is from God."

It is you the POE, because are accusing the Christianity of the falsehood.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Okay, I get it now, you're joking.
1) The better for me: my ban will be forwarded into some future time, look the video about it below. 2) I am the true follower of the Presumption of Innocence: nobody is wrong, until he is proven wrong. This keeps the Verity safe. But the "false atheism" and nihilism sins against that. The false atheism can not be Verity, because destroys the Verity.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
why are their countless atheists in a religious forum?
"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
(Revelation 11:18 KJV)

The idol in this God damned ("cursed is the ground for thy sake" Genesis 3:17 KJV) Earth is money. The false atheists are most adjusted to the fallen Earth, they are most advanced in sin: they can use a sinful porno every time they feel to, they can say a lie every time it suits them. So, the false atheist is counting dollars. But the God is counting stars, counting His saints. The people in the "above" room are counting dollars and are sinfully enjoying themselves:
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Let us make a questionary:
1) Who is more like a walking death (zombie)? A Christian or a "false atheist"? False Atheist, I think.
2) Who is more like a zombie? A "false theist" or a "false atheist"? False Atheist, I think. Because the false atheist has lost the shame that much, what feels no need to pretend to be a saint.
They all are here:
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
And the Quest for Truth has now Died. RIP.

Exactly, The truth should not be a quest or a crusade. The truth should be a matter of investigation, facts and validation. I'm sure quests play well to romantic idealism, but that's not reality.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Look, if there is the God (and He is), then His favorite book is Bible. The Bible is very special book, it deals with problems of evil, betray, stupidity, atheism, etc. So, God knows, what the boy is not a robot!
Why does God have to like the Bible? I've talked to Him and He said humans wrote it and He didn't say half the stuff that's in there. Plus, the Mahabharata is better written and has many of the same themes. Finally, Adam is a dirt robot.

So, the false atheist is counting dollars.
Much of the bible can be explained by realizing it's about a bunch of religious leaders mad that other people were getting their money/food/whatever.

Who is more like a walking death (zombie)?
Who worships one?

:p
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
It is your problem. I have no problem to know, what I saw mine God in the facts like "1+1=2" right from my beginning. It is like the Sun for new born baby: the baby does not know the name of the Sun, but already feels its actions.

The problem is, I believe you. You feel the presence of something. Something that you can't understand, something that is beyond you. A presence that you are certain exists. That inspires you, provides moral guidance. It provides answers when you pray. It can make you feel loved. This presence exists and I certainly wouldn't deny it's existence.

While I can't speak for everyone, I suspect everyone feels this presence. Accepts its existence on some level.

Whereas you call this presence God and worship it, I see it as the work of our subconscious mind. The subconscious mind is larger, faster, more knowledgeable than the conscious mind. The subconscious mind provides our perception of reality, our feelings, our inspiration and even answers to problems and questions we have. The subconscious mind can do for you everything that God does for you.

So why choose the subconscious mind over God as an answer to this presence you feel? Because while we can't be consciously aware of our own subconscious mind, we can test it, validate it, understand how it physically works. God on the other hand can't be scientifically validated. You can imagine or create or envision God to be whatever to wish/desire and do so without any validation what so ever. That's why there exists so many different versions of God.

Yes, your God is the true God, so is everybody else's God... What? you want validation? You don't need validation, you have faith in this presence that you know exists. You can feel the truth of it can't you?

I felt the truth of it too, except I questioned the truth of those feelings and found that the facts didn't care about my feelings. The truth is you feel the presence of God, but that's not the fact of God.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Nothing I write is the product of thought; you only think it is.
That may sound trite, and absurd, but actually it is true.
I never think about what I'm going to write: I just do it. Either my mind works instantaneously, or there isn't any thinking going on.
I drive the same way. I engage in combat the same way. I build wooden structures the same way. Nothing I do is the product of thought.

Likely all true. I give speeches, train folks on technical processes. Stuff I know so well I don't have to think about it.

Sometimes I "sit there" consciously watching myself give a speech. No conscious thought behind any of the words. I'm fascinated by the process sometimes. I let the subconscious mind take over, I just get out of the way. My conscious identity can just sit back and observe.

Whatever we consciously do, subconsciously we can do it faster, more accurately. I used to play ping-pong. There was times I had total control over the ball. I could even control where my opponent would hit it back. Consciously I was just watching. I was just an observer watching the precision my body was physically capable of.

Sometimes I wonder if this is the grace that is found in Buddhism. No thought, no mind. Where consciousness gets out of the way of us being who we are.
 
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