The Emperor Has No SecretsEmperor II

[sealchan]

Few things could be more revealing at the inadequacies of our President than what this OP ed clearly points out:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/11/po...kelly-trump/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Not the swamp, not Never Trumpers, just Trump's own hand picked, best people realizing what our nation had gotten itself into.

Scarey?... Yes!

A threat to our democracy?...Definitely.

A liberal vs conservative bias?...Nope.

No liberals were quoted or involved.

 

[Stanyon]

It was definitely written from a certain opinion/ viewpoint and passed off as fact. Another view and opinion is what is frightening is that high level people were actively working to undermine the president (could be any president, not just Trump) because they disagreed with his decisions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It was definitely written from a certain opinion/ viewpoint and passed off as fact. Another view and opinion is what is frightening is that high level people were actively working to undermine the president (could be any president, not just Trump) because they disagreed with his decisions.

I think that's a much, much more difficult point of view to argue in view of the facts. Both men, until they occupied the cabinet positions they did, were essentially pro-Trump. Both are highly accomplished, and know what they're doing. That they should turn so quickly (because let's face it, was fast) suggests more than anything else that just being able to see Trump in action, on a day-to-day basis, must have come as such a shock that it undermined any confidence that they might have had on initially accepting their cabinet posts.

Even Trump supporters, I think, should try looking at the facts before them, before blindly running to his defence.

 

[Nakosis]

Few things could be more revealing at the inadequacies of our President than what this OP ed clearly points out:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/11/politics/nikki-haley-tillerson-kelly-trump/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Not the swamp, not Never Trumpers, just Trump's own hand picked, best people realizing what our nation had gotten itself into.

Scarey?... Yes!

A threat to our democracy?...Definitely.

A liberal vs conservative bias?...Nope.

No liberals were quoted or involved.

Not that terrifying, more expected from someone who's never held political office before. Certainly want people around you to mitigate some of your worse decisions.

Common with CEO of large companies. The CEO may make some bad decisions but hopefully the infrastructure of the company can keep the company viable.

 

[Windwalker]

Not that terrifying, more expected from someone who's never held political office before. Certainly want people around you to mitigate some of your worse decisions.

Common with CEO of large companies. The CEO may make some bad decisions but hopefully the infrastructure of the company can keep the company viable.

You mean, a CEO wants subsoridents who will disobey their orders, work behind the scenes to undercut his objectives and recruit others to work behind the scenes against him? That doesn't sound like a good CEO. That sounds like a CEO the board of directors needs to fire! That's a CEO whom his own staff doesn't trust.

Bonus question. Can you name another president that has had staff do this to them, despite them being green behind the ears?

 

[sealchan]

Not that terrifying, more expected from someone who's never held political office before. Certainly want people around you to mitigate some of your worse decisions.

Common with CEO of large companies. The CEO may make some bad decisions but hopefully the infrastructure of the company can keep the company viable.

That's a pretty rosy picture to plaster up over this disaster of a presidency.

If Trump was at all interested in anything except yes men these competent people in his administration would still be working for him I think.

 

[sealchan]

It was definitely written from a certain opinion/ viewpoint and passed off as fact. Another view and opinion is what is frightening is that high level people were actively working to undermine the president (could be any president, not just Trump) because they disagreed with his decisions.

The op ed is clearly one of a liberal writing for a liberal news source. But what he is writing about is a excerpt from a autobiography of a very pro-Trump individual formerly in Trump's administration about some of the best and brightest other people in Trump's administration.

it is clear that people in the Trump administration have to make a choice between loyalty, ethics and competency. Not a pretty picture.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Few things could be more revealing at the inadequacies of our President than what this OP ed clearly points out:

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/11/politics/nikki-haley-tillerson-kelly-trump/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

Not the swamp, not Never Trumpers, just Trump's own hand picked, best people realizing what our nation had gotten itself into.

Scarey?... Yes!

A threat to our democracy?...Definitely.

A liberal vs conservative bias?...Nope.

No liberals were quoted or involved.

Sounds like it's time to investigate Kelly and Tillerson.

 

[Nakosis]

You mean, a CEO wants subsoridents who will disobey their orders, work behind the scenes to undercut his objectives and recruit others to work behind the scenes against him? That doesn't sound like a good CEO. That sounds like a CEO the board of directors needs to fire! That's a CEO whom his own staff doesn't trust.

The company does. The idea is to survive. The job of the CEO is to make the hard decisions no one else wants to make. Even the bad decisions. CEOs come and go. You don't want your survival dependent one one man. Sure, get rid of them if you have someone in position to take over that you feel can do better. If not, mitigate the decisions. In this case the outcome dependent on congress and the senate.

Bonus question. Can you name another president that has had staff do this to them, despite them being green behind the ears?

So someone can claim false equivalency? I see no benefit in doing the work.

 

[sealchan]

Sounds like it's time to investigate Kelly and Tillerson.

You have a point...but strangely i don't think the Republicans are really going to want to hear what they have to say.

It will be an embarrasment of riches for those who see Trump as fundamentally incompetent...or is that a richness of embarrassment for Trump and his supporters?

 

[Windwalker]

The company does. The idea is to survive. The job of the CEO is to make the hard decisions no one else wants to make. Even the bad decisions.

But you're saying, that his underlings should disobey him, because they feel he is insane and believe he puts the business at risk, and this this is somehow a vote of confidence for the CEO that the board should feel means they've got the right man at the helm? Not sure how that works in real reality.

CEOs come and go. You don't want your survival dependent one one man. Sure, get rid of them if you have someone in position to take over that you feel can do better.

Yes, cleary they should get rid of him, because they clearly feel they could do better! That's why they are making decisions to uncut him! This is a no-brainer.

If not, mitigate the decisions. In this case the outcome dependent on congress and the senate.

They aren't making the decisions less severe, they are simply not following them at all. That means they don't trust him and are too afraid of him to stand openly against him. All the more real the board should fire his ***. And yes, the board in this case is Congress, they represent us, the shareholders.

Bonus question. Is America a business that needs a CEO running us as their employees in a business venture?

 

[Nakosis]

But you're saying, that his underlings should disobey him, because they feel he is insane and believe he puts the business at risk, and this this is somehow a vote of confidence for the CEO that the board should feel means they've got the right man at the helm? Not sure how that works in real reality.

Didn't say anything about Trump's sanity

Yes, cleary they should get rid of him, because they clearly feel they could do better! That's why they are making decisions to uncut him! This is a no-brainer.

That's your opinion. Personally, I'm not making any prediction about what the legislative branch is going to do.

They aren't making the decisions less severe, they are simply not following them at all. That means they don't trust him and are too afraid of him to stand openly against him. All the more real the board should fire his ***. And yes, the board in this case is Congress, they represent us, the shareholders.

Haven't seen this stated anywhere.

Bonus question. Is America a business that needs a CEO running us as their employees in a business venture?

I think many of those who voted for Trump saw this as a good solution.