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The easiest religion to follow?

Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
BilliardsBall said:
I don't think those are contradictory, but we should try to resolve this contradiction:

"We also believe that Jesus Christ will reward every man according to his works" and "The Bible says that salvation is a gift, is gifted without any works whatsoever".
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So what? I believe that. I don't have to do any works to be "saved." The difference between us is that apparently "salvation" is good enough for you. It's not good enough for me.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Katzpur said:
So what? I believe that. I don't have to do any works to be "saved." The difference between us is that apparently "salvation" is good enough for you. It's not good enough for me.
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It's not "good enough for me", it's a Bible doctrine.

It's not "your desire", it's you say works are needed to maintain salvation, but Romans 4, for example, says the one with ZERO works who trusts Christ has ALL their sin forgiven.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
BilliardsBall said:
It's not "good enough for me", it's a Bible doctrine.
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You're going to have to clarify what you mean by that. When you say that being "saved" is "good enough" for you, what do you actually mean by that? Is being saved nothing more than avoiding eternal hellfire and damnation? Where does the Bible say that?

It's not "your desire", it's you say works are needed to maintain salvation, but Romans 4, for example, says the one with ZERO works who trusts Christ has ALL their sin forgiven.
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I never said that. Stop putting words into my mouth. And for your information, "trust" is a work.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Katzpur said:
You're going to have to clarify what you mean by that. When you say that being "saved" is "good enough" for you, what do you actually mean by that? Is being saved nothing more than avoiding eternal hellfire and damnation? Where does the Bible say that?

I never said that. Stop putting words into my mouth. And for your information, "trust" is a work.
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Being saved is a lifestyle/relationship with Christ that goes beyond just missing Hell, yes.

"Trust" is neither a Mosaic Law work (the word "trust" or "faith" is not in any of the 613 laws of Moses) nor a "good deed/good work". Trust is an assertion that someone is trustworthy--and like faith, often means INACTION, not action. For example, if I do nothing and let a fireman carry me from a fire, I trust him.

The Bible says repeatedly that salvation--being born again--being made a new creation--without which one cannot inherit God's Kingdom, comes from our cessation of action--our attempts to save ourselves--and instead, we trust/rely upon/lean upon Christ.
 
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