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The Doctrine of inerrancy

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Pah, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. precept

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    That you are unaware that the "BIBLE" AS WRITTEN BY THE PROPHETShad pre-existed the few people who GATHERED THE ALREADY EXISTING WRITTEN PAGES and compiled a "BOOK" AS WE KNOW IT CALLED THE "BIBLE", is not surprising. These PAGES written over a period of more than fifteen hundred years existed long before there was even a Christian church. It was from these pages that Christ Himself and likewise Peter and Paul and all of Jesus' disciples quoted. It was from these pages that the Gentile Bereans read as Paul opened to them for the first time in their godly lives, the Holy scriptures. The same identical scriptures that you and I and others read as the bible are the same identical scriptures as read by Moses more than four thousand years ago.

    Your claim that some men sat in some room to compile the bible....should read :"some men sat in some room; gathered the already written bible and bound them together in one book". "They were sufficiently intelligent to see that the old testament already existed as the Torah in Judaism for upwards of three thousand years before 'they, the men in the room' were even thought of. They had sufficient intelligence to see that the Jewish Torah spoke about Messiah, and so decided to accept that the Jewish Messiah was Jesus. They then also gathered all the ALREADY EXISTING writings about the Jewish Messiah and excluded the books[writings] that did not corroborate with the Jewish Torah's teaching and with the extant writings about the Jewish Messiah. These writings that did not corroborate with the Jewish Torah and the extant writings about the Jewish Messiah, contradicted the events surrounding the life and teachings of the Jewish Messiah.

    After putting together the ALREADY EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS they sat down and claimed to have "compiled the already written bible". Taking full credit that had it not been for them the previous multi-millions who lived before and after Jesus and who "predated these few men", where entirely in the debt of "these few men" for their having "compiled/written the already existing bible". HOW PREPOSTEROUS!

    These men claim to have written/compiled the bible, in which there is NO ERROR!and whose information they had had no way of knowing. Yet their own individual published essays of a few pages on subjects ranging from whether God was human or divine; whether a human was a sinner or not; whether when a human dies, that he immediately takes flight accross millions of light years accross space to a destination of which he had no previous knowledge...That these men teach that there are humans in heaven as we speak, who are able to use their common 'human ear lobes', point them to earth to hear humans pray accross the great divide of millions of light years--that these their own published works are riddled with inaccuracies; yet cannot see that the words on the pages that they put together should in fact be the pages riddled with errors and --Not theirs!

    It is quite easy to test the accuracy of scripture! The THEME OF THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES FROM GENESIS TO THE BOOK OF REVELATION is about JESUS, THE JEWISH MESSIAH! All other events as recorded in the scripture only chronicle the human journey since his creation by God. This journey began with Adam, continued through Abraham and Jacob and culminated in Jesus, who was sent by His Father to redeem fallen humanity. Jesus is the entire reason for the scriptures and the creation of Adam in the first place.

    The bible therefore speaks to all those who believe the word of God as penned in 1 Peter 1:20....Where, before God even made humans, He had planned to redeem them because He knew that they would join Satan in sinning against Him.

    The reason for the bible was just to inform man of God's plan; and how He would save fallen humanity from the death that satan and sin had caused.

    God is life; and when He made Lucifer and the angels they were made to lve forever! God did not create "death"--Sin did! If there was no sin there would have been "no death"! The bible tells us humans how to choose God over Satan so that we like God will live forever; while anyone who decides to choose satan will also automatically choose death, and be as condemned to eternal death as is condemned Satan.

    The bible has no time to see if someone said something different from someone else. Or whether someone wrote something different from another! When any can prove that the story of salvation written by God Himself and beginning in the book of Genesis, continuing through each and every book to the book of Revelation is in error, he would have just pushed God over and assumed His title!


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  2. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    But the discussion is about inerrency. Please confine your comments to that topic.

    Please don't underline large portions of your text. It makes it hard to read.
     
  3. precept

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  4. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Soooooooooooo, we still don't have any scriptures that indicate that they are without error.

    For those of us who base our beliefs on what the scripture says, I think we need to take time and ponder what this means to us.
     
  5. linwood

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    These writings that did not corroborate with the Jewish Torah and the extant writings about the Jewish Messiah, contradicted the events surrounding the life and teachings of the Jewish Messiah.

    Actually no.
    The writings that were rejected were rejected because they did not meet the standards of the Nicean creed for the most part.
    The NT itself as was compiled in no way corraborates the Torah.
    Those rejected texts actually did a better job of corraborating with the Torah at times depending upon which texts you`re reading.
    Those standards used to determine which were to be allowed and which were not were mostly gathered around the divinity of Jesus.
    The divinity of Jesus in no way corraborates the NT with the OT.

    After putting together the ALREADY EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS they sat down and claimed to have "compiled the already written bible".

    While rejecteing by vote texts that did not directly promote the divinity of Jesus among other things.
    Voting that sometimes passed with the slimmest of majority.

    These men claim to have written/compiled the bible, in which there is NO ERROR!and whose information they had had no way of knowing. Yet their own individual published essays of a few pages on subjects ranging from whether God was human or divine; whether a human was a sinner or not; whether when a human dies, that he immediately takes flight accross millions of light years accross space to a destination of which he had no previous knowledge...That these men teach that there are humans in heaven as we speak, who are able to use their common 'human ear lobes', point them to earth to hear humans pray accross the great divide of millions of light years--that these their own published works are riddled with inaccuracies; yet cannot see that the words on the pages that they put together should in fact be the pages riddled with errors and --Not theirs!

    Uhh could you say that again?
    In English this time please?

    It is quite easy to test the accuracy of scripture! The THEME OF THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES FROM GENESIS TO THE BOOK OF REVELATION is about JESUS, THE JEWISH MESSIAH!

    I`m aware of how easy it is to test it.
    I`ve done it..it failed.

    Your proselytizing doesn`t really give much support in a rational discussion about Biblical inerrancy Precept.

    Sorry.
     
  6. precept

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    The Nicea council was called and presided over by a Pagan, the emperor Constantine! Would you accept the copnclusions and decisions of a Pagan on matters concerning God and Christianity?

    I understand...you have already answered Yes!


    QUOTE]"The NT itself as was compiled in no way corraborates the Torah.
    Those rejected texts actually did a better job of corraborating with the Torah at times depending upon which texts you`re reading.[/QUOTE]

    Your above answer condemns Jesus' decision to explain about Himself to His disciples by His using NOT! THE REJECTED TEXTS WRITTEN HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE TORAH BUT THE AUTHOR OF HIS DIVENE WORD, THE TORAH USED THE TORAH TO TEACH THE DISCIPLES ABOUT HIMSELF.....Jesus said to his two bewildered disciples who did not understand why Jesus had died and not "restored the temporal kingdom to Israel"...."O fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophetys of Torah have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things as written in Torah? and to enter into His glory as written in Torah? So Jesus deceided to rquote again from Torah the very prophecies concerning himself and which these disciples were familiar having been taught the Torah...."And beginning at Moses--Genesis and all the prophets-the last prophet being Malachi-- HE EXPOUNDED TO THEM IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES THE THINGS CONCERNING HIMSELF".
    i KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT THE SCRIPTURES CONTAINED THE INFORMATION NOW SEEN BY YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME; OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SO MISGUIDINGLY SPOKEN. For your information you can read the account in Luke 24:25-27






     
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    ...And a comment on your underhand suggestion re proselytizing.... It is no interest of mine as to whether you or anyone else on these forums choose to go to heaven or hell. I have no such desire to point any in any direction as I may deem the direction to heaven. I have as my only interest to speak about the scriptures as I see the scriptures; and so I use the scriptures, quoting them liberally; and which I do much more so than many of these forums. Until you and or anyone else can use scripture to refute my rendring of same; then you would best refute with scripture rather than transmit signals that are your own desires; but yet ascribing them to me.


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  8. Pah

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    You seem to belittle the role and personage of Constantine. This may complete your understanding http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm
     
  9. Pah

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    Moderator advisory
    Proselytizing involves preaching and of that there is no shortage in your posts. We discourage preaching at RF as contrary to discussion
     
  10. precept

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    Thanks for the advisory!

    Those unable to respond cogently to a debate on the truth of the scriptures have responded as would be expected--"WITH CENSURE"

    But how could one expect a cogent answer from those devoid of scriptural knowledge!

    This is not to be unexpected!

    Thanks! but no thanks!


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  11. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Sir, you are yet another candidate for the troll award.

    Do not try to insult a member of this forum. As others have said, do not try to proselytize. If you wish to do this, please move on to another forum.

    You have repeatedly ignored NetDoc's question. Show us, in the scriptures, with no roundabout interpretation, where it says that it is inerrent. And not just one book, all books.

    Learn to follow the rules. Until then, it would be best for you to refrain from posting.

    You do not wish to be banninated, do you?

    Also, just a question I'd like to ask: I am a pagan. A Druid, specifically. Do you have anything against me?
     
  12. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    So since you can not bring forth any scriptures, you resort to name calling. That's how the Pharisees treated Jesus.
     
  13. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Talk about name calling! But then again, they're just Jewish religious leaders, so ...
     
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  14. jewscout

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    jesus...a jewish messiah?:sarcastic

    **rubs temples**ow...
     
  15. Druidus

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    Well, technically, he was Jewish, no? ;)
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    yes but was he the Moshiach ben David?:sarcastic
     
  17. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    Whose ben? ;) Sorry couldn't help myself.

    Wasn't jesus's cult made up of messianic jews then?
     
  18. linwood

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    The Nicea council was called and presided over by a Pagan, the emperor Constantine! Would you accept the copnclusions and decisions of a Pagan on matters concerning God and Christianity?
    Considering that much Christian symbolism is taken from paganism I don`t see why not.
    It would also seem that the vast majority of Christianity did as well considering 300 or so Bishops accepted Constantines invitation to this council for the purpose of defining what would and wouldn`t be considered Christian.

    Do I agree with the methods?
    No not really but I`m not Christian so it doesn`t often affect my beliefs or morality.

    I understand...you have already answered Yes!

    So has most of Christianity.


    QUOTE]"The NT itself as was compiled in no way corraborates the Torah.
    Those rejected texts actually did a better job of corraborating with the Torah at times depending upon which texts you`re reading.[/QUOTE]
    Your above answer condemns Jesus' decision to explain about Himself to His disciples by His using NOT! THE REJECTED TEXTS WRITTEN HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE TORAH BUT THE AUTHOR OF HIS DIVENE WORD, THE TORAH USED THE TORAH TO TEACH THE DISCIPLES ABOUT HIMSELF

    I`ve condened nothing and no one.
    So you deny the divinity of the NT?
    These works were also written after Jesus died.
    If you deny the NT then we`re off topic.

    i KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT THE SCRIPTURES CONTAINED THE INFORMATION NOW SEEN BY YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME; OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SO MISGUIDINGLY SPOKEN. For your information you can read the account in Luke 24:25-27

    I`m aware of the scripture Precept, I just don`t read into them as you do.
    I don`t believe the book is inerrant.
    By the way if Jesus taught of himself from the Torah and that is what has importance.
    Why are you quoting Luke?
    :)
    Tell me why Luke is in the Bible and The Gospel of Truth is not.
     
  19. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Fair enough Deut... I think you are right. Let me restate it.
     
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  20. precept

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    No point in responding! The Title of the forum has been recently changed by Pah from "Debate" to "Discussion"...Just another way to talk in circles about nothing! As most discussions go.


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