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The Democrats are condemning Donald Trump and...

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jul 16, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    the Republicans in general as "racists".

    I see it on CNN and I see it on MSNBC.

    The Demos are hypocrites: they accuse the Trump camp for being "racists" thus "un-American"

    The Democrats are the leading force behind violating the Second Amendment: taking gun rights away: now how AMERICAN is that?

    Remember Michael Douglas in some 1990's movies? He is purely anti-gun in real life. He was in favor of "assault weapons" bans in the film "The American President". The film would be better titled "The Communist President". In "Falling Down" he told the bald man running the army-navy store that he was "an American" and that the army-navy store man was something not very nice, like a twisted kook or something. The army-navy man was showing the nerdy fellow canisters that used to contain gas to kill people in Nazi Germany and Mr. Nerd didn't like that one bit. His nerdy character also packed a lot of guns to shoot people and plan to kill some people, some innocents, in that film.

    As an AMERICAN, one has the 1st A right to say "I don't like foreigners to come here" or "I hate Jews" or "I hate sand [you-know-whats]".
     
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    But it's the conservatives that have distorted the 2nd Amendment. It very clearly says that the right to bear arms is to ensure an effective militia. And I am fully supportive of having those in a registered militia allowed to be allowed to have such arms. Since that would probably require background checks, and mental health evaluations, I see nothing wrong with such.

    On the other hand, if you are NOT in a militia, there should be restrictions on what weapons of mass destruction you can own.

    And while you are 'allowed' to say the things you did, it is still *anti-American* to do so. You see, even being anti-American is allowed in America. An example is claiming that effective journalism is counter to the interests of the people of the US, advocating bigotry and racism, and declaring that the Supreme Court shouldn't be obeyed.
     
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    Most of the mass shooters got their guns by passing background checks on the books already. Most were gotten from federally-licensed gun dealers, not gun shows or private sales and never from a straw purchase as far as I know. Universal background checks would not have saved any of those people hurt in mass shooting events over the years. MOST guns used in mass shootings are NOT "assault weapons". These anti-gun regs do stop an honest veteran from getting a gun (even a piddly 38 special like grandpa has in his nightstand or a double-barreled shogun your grandfather may have used for ducks in 1958 even) to protect his family if he may have had PTSD from Vietnam or even the Persian Gulf, however. So-called federal GUN-FREE zones as at schools only leave the unarmed people there defenseless.
     
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    Yes, a big part of the problem is that there are *already* too many guns available by way too many sources. We need to limit gun ownership to those in registered militia. We also need to institute background checks and mental health checks on gun owners. And, as I said nothing at all about assault weapons, that whole topic is a side issue. And yes, if someone has diagnosed PTSD, they should not own a gun.
     
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    That won't stop bad people from getting guns and hurting good people.
    Bad people will hurt good people with rented vehicles, baseball bats, martial arts, trained attack dogs, bombs, box cutters, explosives, etc.

    Sorry, Charlie, wrong number.
     
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    Lol it very clearly does not. In fact if they wanted to very clearly say that, they would have.
    The militia is all able bodied persons of the U.S.
    So just non-citizens, huh?
    I agree with you here though.
     
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    People in wheelchairs should not have a gun for protection?

    The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed.

    People in wheelchairs are PEOPLE just the same.
     
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    Lol, i hear ya. In fact it is quite important to note that the constitution does not say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    My response was because it seems to few actually understand what militia means here. Young children, the elderly, women and those not able to perform militia duties were excused from militia service. That is the way it was. Today the militia is considered to be all able bodied adult citizens. This does not mean that people in wheelchairs do not have the right to keep and bear arms. But it is what the militia is.
     
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    So what, exactly, does the phrase 'a well-regulated militia' actually mean? It certainly does NOT mean 'all citizens' because that group of people is clearly NOT 'well-regulated'. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is *based* on the people being part of said 'well-regulated militia'. Unless you are in such a militia, you don't have that right according to the Constitution.
     
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    if the militia was all able-bodied adults, then why the phrase 'well-regulated'?

    Also, in the past, each person brought their own arms when called up for militia duty. That is certainly NOT the case now, nor has it been for quite some time.
     
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    And, on the other hand, yes, it is good to criticize a sitting US president who makes remarks that are clearly anti_American. And Trump does so on a regular basis.

    We can disagree about what, precisely, a well-regulated militia could be, but can we at least agree that Trump regularly espouses Anti-American ideals?
     
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    Why is it UN-AMERICAN to want to secure our borders, speak our English language and preserve our Western culture derived from Britain and western Europe? Do you think it "American" that we as a nation fall into the melting pot of new UN-run global multicultural order?

    When hard working immigrants came here 100+ years ago with no government social services or "Dial 2 for German" or "Dial 3 for Italian", they had to learn our language and our culture they had to fall into the AMERICAN melting pot the way it should be.
     
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    I'm sure most cartoonists love Trump - he's done more for them than most other leaders of the free world ever could. But then most of them have usually engaged their brains before opening their mouths. :D
     
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    Sounds just like the propaganda against *eastern European* migrants a century ago.

    The US is a melting pot. That *is* what it means to be American. It means we take what is best from *any* culture, whether or not it is 'western European' and adapt it to be our own.

    Part of being America is realizing that we have to change to adapt to a changing world. This was true in 1787 and it is even more true today. And those changes may well include aspects that are NOT 'western European' or 'British'.

    Well, considering that *we* are, more often than not, the ones running the UN, this seems to be beside the point.

    Yes, America is and should be a melting pot. That is how it has been from the very beginning. And yes, we should welcome those wanting to come here to better their lives and who wish to contribute to our ever changing culture.

    Um, you might want to read a bit of history about how those migrants were treated. Let's not repeat the bad policies of the past, OK?
     
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    Let's also face it. When Trump tells elected members of Congress to 'go back to where they came from', he is pointedly making a racist jibe. Those members of Congress are from the *US*. They are legitimately elected and are representing their constituents, exactly as they should be. They are also doing *exactly* what they should be doing: helping to keep the presidency in check.

    The problem is that Trump doesn't like sharing power with other, equal branches of our government. He also doesn't like the criticism that *all* presidents have to face. Such criticism is, after all, the *American* way.
     
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    Let the Socialist Democrats keep doing it.

    It just shows more to the public on how all bat**** crazy they are.

    Like Trump said a while back, these people are just sick in the head. They're just plain sick.
     
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    I’ve seen Trump individual been called racist on the back of his latest Twitter rant but I’ve not seen it extended to “un-American”.

    Really? Spinning and reinterpreting the US Constitution to meet your personal preferences seems to be a long-running American tradition. :cool:

    And the right to say “You’re racist” too?
     
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    where does it say veterans with PTSD can't have guns? I'm a veteran with diagnosed PTSD, and Australian gun laws are significantly stricter the American gun laws, and I own 5 licensed weapons, including 4 firearms.
     
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    I will agree that Trump could use a better sense of humor when things are directed at him. There's something to be said about a person that can laugh at himself from time to time.

    I think what Trump is doing is the classic Shake up . And I'm real glad he's doing it.

    What we have now is a group of socialist Democrats entrenched and purposefully maintaining the status quo and business-as-usual for decades now, supported obviously by some rich and influential people, and it will take a person like him to start digging them out and getting rid of the political rot that is slowly and purposefully destroying this country.

    As far as racism goes, it's just a matter of perspective and how you look at it. I mean if any of Trumps working policies actually and really promote and initiate racism or whatever label people want to put, I'd be really interested in hearing what they are.

    Anybody can take any person's words out of context and twist them around as so make it sound like something that it isn't.
     
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    Here's a tip, if you want to be taken seriously when replying try actually referencing the things the person you're replying to actually said. You're kind of all over the place again, and referring to things no one said.
     
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