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The death penalty. Are you against it or for it?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, May 3, 2021.

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  1. For it

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  2. Against it

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    67.6%
  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    The death numbers would pass the covid numbers in a week or less :D
     
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    Unveiled Artist You are safe

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    I think the same post had murder was premeditated killing. Innocence doesn't matter in the killing because once its premeditated, its considered murder.

    So, yes. That would follow under those definitions. If I said it isolated, that would be different. Since capitol punishment is premeditated killing (guilty or not), I disagree with it. I value a person's life not Solely because of what he or she did (since I do bad things too) but the general and moral as well as inner appreciation (lbw) of him or her as a human being. Unless I really feel like I don't deserve to die personally, I would hope if I did something as bad as murder, I would have a chance to change. If I deemed other people's death but not my own I'm putting myself over them as if they have some inherit (sinful) temptation to sin and once they do they should be punished (crucified) for it. I never agreed with that mentality.

    That, and do we always need to go by "the book" to know what's right or wrong: dictionaries, scriptures, (stats, whatever); do we need them to justify the decisions we make or can we put things in our own words?
     
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    No, you are wrong, it is killing but it is not murder.
    A person who kills unlawfully is guilty of murder.
    A person who kills lawfully is not guilty of murder.
    Innocence matters because guilty people deserve to be punished whereas innocent people don't deserve punishment.
    That is better known as justice.

    Is It Murder When the Government Does It?
    Merriam-Webster defines murder as "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." The death penalty is indeed premeditated, and it is indeed the killing of a human person. These two facts are indisputable. But it's lawful, and it's not the only example of the lawful, premeditated killing of a human person.

    Many military actions, for example, fall into this category. We send soldiers out to kill, but most of us don't call them murderers — even when the killing is part of a strategic attack, and not a form of self-defense. The killings that soldiers perform in the line of duty are classified as human kills, but they are not classified as murder.

    Is the Death Penalty Murder?
    You have a right to your opinion but I disagree with your opinion. I am not going to change my opinion and neither are you, so I see no point in discussing this any further.
     
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    Unveiled Artist You are safe

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    Why do you think we're trying to change each other's opinions???

    You brought up the "red sign", then argued against it, then saying your opinion and posting again, and saying you don't want to discuss it.

    I know you have strong feelings about this, but you're going every which a place and I can't follow your lead. Maybe take a break and condense your points it would go smoother. This never was an argument, never was intended to be one, and I never started a conversation with you to even suggest one.

    So, what's wrong?
     
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    There is a time to kill. Anyone ever put in that situation knows that.
     
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    Shrugs. I guess so. Sometimes I hate being the minority. In everything.
     
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    I have already made my points on this thread so I see no need to make them again.
    When two people disagree they disagree and that turns into an argument, unless they can agree to disagree.
     
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    I think you should take a break from this thread.

    You're using me as a pin cushion for your frustration. We had no conversation on this thread at all.

    Get a coffee or pet the cats, but don't take it out on me.
     
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  9. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    But I would suggest to you -- in my own humble opinion -- that that time is NOT when you have somebody strapped to a table, 100% controlled and unable to either defend him/herself, or to in any way fight back. Then it becomes merely revenge -- and again in my opinion, I would hope that revenge is beneath us. Or at the very least beneath the government, which is not itself aggrieved.
     
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    When a grown man molests, rapes and tortures a young child, destroys what spirit she had, destroys her dreams, robs her from growing up, robs her of ever having a life by killing her...On that alone that POS needs put down.

    Edit..
    If a dog attacks a child that dog is put down even though that dog doesn't know better.

    We humans know better.
     
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    This is not to mention what her parents have to endure for the rest of their lives.....
    For the life of me I do not understand why people do not understand this....
    Why not just get him dinner and a movie for life, on our tax dollars. :rolleyes:
     
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    Do you mean like what happened to the innocent victim of a heinous murder, unable to defend herself with no way to fight back?
     
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    But hopefully justice isn't.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And that way she gets her dreams back?

    Perhaps, I hate to say this, she might just learn that killing people who do you wrong is at least somewhat appropriate.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And so you contend that doing it again (two wrongs) makes a right?
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Perhaps we have different notions about what justice might be.

    But then, perhaps (and I know this is true on this forum) we also have different notions about human nature itself.
     
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    If we actually killed people that do things like that it might act as/be a deterrent because evidently life in prison and being taken care of for the rest of your life with free everything isn't a deterrent
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, but you see, we've been killing people since we've been people -- and it hasn't stopped anything. This is called "observing the effects of past actions, to see what the result was."
     
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    Killing people over wars isn't a caparison to a person kidnapping, raping, and killing a child.
     
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    People on each side of wars have choices, are trained, given weapons, told what the war is about(even if its BS), told to kill or be killed, etc.

    Then there is ...

    A grown man and a young female child. He kidnaps her, molests her, rapes her, tortures her, kills her. She had no choice on anything. It was all forced upon her against her will for no reason.

    Do you see a difference yet.
     
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