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The death penalty. Are you against it or for it?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, May 3, 2021.

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  1. For it

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  2. Against it

    23 vote(s)
    67.6%
  1. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    I'm sorry for your friend's daughter.

    How would it serve justice to kill him? That's the real question.

    In a society that values liberty, any infringements on liberty - e.g. killing someone as the punishment for a crime - must be justified.

    ... so what's the justification? What legitimate goal do you think the justice system should have for this person that isn't served by life imprisonment?
     
  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member

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    However much experience on this forum might suggest otherwise, you can reason with humans.
     
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  3. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    He gave up his right to live by what he did.
    While the parents of the daughter (that never had the chance to grow up and live life) visit her grave to put flowers on it, that POS is watching tv, playing games, playing basketball, reading, lifting weights, playing racquet ball, living completely rent free with free medical and dental that they help pay for with their tax dollars.
    There is no justice in that.
     
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  4. exchemist

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    Who is to judge if a person cannot be reformed?
     
  5. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    I was wondering if there is an exception to the reasons you gave, nothing deeper than that.
     
  6. Suave

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    Save for habitual serial killers, please let us abolish capital punishment against non serial killers.
     
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    You could make a case for it perhaps in one or two extreme cases. But there is a saying that hard cases make bad law. And the practical arguments in favour of capital punishment are weak, so there seems no positive point in having the option of putting a criminal to death, to set against the negative aspects I have listed. So you simply put the judge in the horrible position of deciding whether or not to issue a death sentence, to no purpose.

    Scrap it.
     
  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    You didn't answer my question.
     
  9. Curious George

    Curious George Veteran Member

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    No right is unfettered.
     
  10. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Shooting or drop-hanging would knock out sense and awareness instantly, Aup.

    Can we do a deal? Where you are you can have your mass execution date to get rid of your backlog, and we'll just lock 'em up in the UK. I do appreciate that your offenders on death row had done some dreadful things, but I just can't vote for the death penalty. :)

    One wrongful conviction is all it takes ...... and in the UK we wrongly convicted/hanged too many. Google will have a long list of our outrsges, I expect.
     
  11. Trailblazer

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    No, I don't refuse to deal with it. I believe the death penalty is ethical when warranted.
     
  12. Trailblazer

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    I fully agree, and there are many cases like that.
     
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  13. Curious George

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    The justification is that some debts can only be paid with one's life.

    Further justification can be found in other retributive philosophies on punishment.

    If that is good enough, it is a more pragmatic means of specific deterrence.

    I think your question was answered.
     
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  14. Trailblazer

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    Definition of murderer
    : one who murders especially : one who commits the crime of murder
    Definition of MURDERER.

    Definition of crime
    1 : an illegal act for which someone can be punished by the government especially : a gross violation of law
    Definition of CRIME
    Of course innocence matters. Guilt vs. innocence, it's called justice, ever heard of it?
     
  15. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Trailer. Just talk. I don't read bold.
     
  16. Heyo

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    Do you know what an unalienable right is?
    You can't wave it, you can't sell it and it can't be taken from you by a judge or jury.
    Inthe UN Declaration of Human Rights, the right to life is unalienable. In the preamble of the US Declaration of Independence it was intended to be an unalienable right (though it never was made into law).
     
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  17. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Debt... to who? Who benefits from the death of this person? It won't bring back his victim.

    In a country with a properly functioning penal system, capital punishment is no better at specific deterrence than life without parole is.
     
  18. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    ... including a perceived right to retribution?
     
  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    If you refuse to consider the possibility that the accused is innocent, then you're refusing to deal with the ethics of the death penalty.

    Any "warrant" for the death penalty is subject to some degree of error.
     
  20. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    In other words, the 100% surefire way to get rid of murder and murderers is to remove all laws against killing people.
     
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