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The death penalty. Are you against it or for it?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, May 3, 2021.

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  1. For it

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  2. Against it

    23 vote(s)
    67.6%
  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Some people become habituated to killing. Gangsters, serial killers as you mention. Should then we experiment with the security of the society? I would not take a chance with the Indian population of some 1390 million. These people should be punished with death.
     
  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Fine but it is not always the case that such evidence is available, the decision for capital punishment can made by a judge (or judges) based on the opinion of the jury.

    I didn't vote because i am mostly against it but a small part of me considers some crimes so heinous that capital punishment is a requirement.
     
  3. exchemist

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    Because (i) human beings can be reformed, (ii) usually a human killer will not develop a "taste" for killing and do it repeatedly and (Iii) we risk killing the wrong person and then have no means of putting things right.
     
  4. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Non premeditated murder is instinctual. Murder planned, put into law, argued the best way to kill, and benefits thereof, dogs don't do this.

    I've never heard an animal put to death unless he was in constant danger to others. Even then I haven't heard it before.

    I don't agree with murder but instinctual killing is justified, ethically I don't agree with premeditated. Legal or not is irrelevant.

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    Interesting. Your Earth people glorify organized violence for forty centuries, but you imprison those who employ it privately." - Spock to McCoy

    Dr. McCoy: And, of course, your people found an answer?

    Mr. Spock: We disposed of emotion, Doctor. Where there is no emotion, there is no motive for violence.”

    — Spock, Star Trek, Season 1: Dagger of the Mind
     
  5. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Murder is premeditated killing.

    It talks nothing about the morality of the action. If a murderer kills another murderer it's still murder. Innocence doesn't matter. The US law has no favorites. Humans do.
     
  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    If you don't kill the wrong person, is CP ethically justified?

    I notice people against it use "if they are innocent" not about the murderer as a human being.
     
  7. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    If they weren't innocent, would it be ethically justified?
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    My issue is... Those against death penalty, do you judge a person's right to live by whether he's innocent?

    To me, if you kill someone who actually dyd the crime and kill someone even though they have not is still by intent premeditated killing. If one is truly against CP, why support one and not the other?
     
  9. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    This shouldn't even be done to other animals.
     
  10. exchemist

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    I have given three reasons against it, not just one.
     
  11. MikeF

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    So, for you, the death penalty would only apply if these very specific set of criteria applied to the case?
     
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  12. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    My question still stands unless one cancels out the other.
     
  13. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And this happens far more often than most people realize. In Canada alone, just under the letter "M," there were Donald Marshall, Jr., David Milgaard, Guy Paul Morin. Other famous reversals include Robert Baltovich, James Driskell, Anothony Hanemaayer, Ivan Henry, Rejean Hinse, Will Nepoose, Romeo Phillion, Thomas Sophoonow, Steven Truscott (I knew the author of the book "The Trial of Steven Truscott").

    And the U.S. has a harsher justice system than Canada does, so how many do you suppose have been killed, or are rotting on death row, who were and are completely innocent? Since 1989, the United States has used DNA testing to exonerate 225 innocent people after they have spent years in captivity. At least 123 people have been exonerated from death row since the 1970s.

    Just think if they had all been executed. What sort of compensation would the state have made in all our names to their families, once their innocence had been posthumously established?
     
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    There might be some rare, extraordinary circumstances which would warrant the death penalty (such as war crimes or crimes against humanity). But in most cases, probably not.

    On the other hand, if a defendant consents to capital punishment, maybe that can be an option. If they'd rather die than face a lifetime in prison, then maybe that can be allowed.

    Another possibility is that those on death row can be given a suicide option at any time. I've always considered it rather absurd that some people call that "cheating the hangman," as if they consider capital punishment to be nothing more than a game. As if they feel some emotional satisfaction at killing the convict themselves.
     
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  15. exchemist

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    The other reasons remains valid, even if you are 100% sure of the guilt of the person. So no, it is not ethically justified, even then, in my view.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Out of curiousity, put yourself in the place of an innocent person being prepped for execution for a crime that he did not commit. As the doctor began the drip into that big needle in your arm, would you wonder, "why has God forsaken me?"
     
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    Personally, I don't think so.
    One measure I make of a country's development is, "Do they still have the death penalty?" If the answer is Yes, then they are less developed than other countries.
     
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  18. We Never Know

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    Yes I did post something similar.
    The reason is.... 17 years ago a couple I know, their 10 year old daughter was kidnapped, molested and raped for 2 days before being killed. The 39 year old, with two other prior molestation convictions received life in prison w/o parole. Meaning we have to pay(with our tax dollars) to house, feed, clothe, provide medical, provide dental, etc take care of him until he dies even if that's 40+ years.
    In my opinion there is no justice in that.
     
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  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    So you refuse to deal with the ethics of the actual death penalty.
     
  20. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    The first two I understood, but the last weakens the other two objections.

    The " If " is what I'm referring to.

    What if the person repeatedly killed, could not be reformed, and was guilty, should they die?

    When I read people are against CP, there are usually exceptions to the rule. Why is that?
     
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