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The death penalty. Are you against it or for it?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, May 3, 2021 at 9:49 PM.

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  1. For it

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  2. Against it

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  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    If a dog, bear, lion, croc, etc attack or kill a human, its not locked in a zoo in cages, its killed, its euthanized. Those animals were/are only doing what is natural to them.

    Why should we not do the same to humans?
     
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  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I see it as having to do it sometimes.

    Particularly with emotionless psychopaths who cannot ever be rehabilitated and/or such crimes that are beyond human comprehension.

    I think all executions ought to be democratic however and left to victims family/friends/relatives to decide to insure proper closure prevails.
     
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  3. aketo

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    I agree with this.
     
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  4. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    We should not lower ourselves to extract an eye for an eye. With the death penalty, there are far too many irreversible mistakes made and biases in administering it, and ultimately in cases where it is used there is generally already a group of friends and family who have grieved the loss of a loved one. We shouldn't make another group suffer the same. That isn't justice. It fixes and amends nothing, but it causes further needless suffering upon those innocent.
     
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  5. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    For example we kill bears that didn't even do anything just to make sure we killed the right ones.

    Human remains found in stomachs of 2 of 3 bears suspected of attacking Colorado woman.

    "Whenever an animal is euthanized, we receive many questions about why that action was necessary,” said Dan Prenzlow, agency director. “Our responsibilities to the natural resources of the state are many, but we have no more important duty than to manage these resources in a manner that keeps Coloradans and our visitors safe. Euthanizing wildlife is never an action our officers take lightly, but we have an obligation to prevent additional avoidable harm.”

    https://www-fox13memphis-com.cdn.am...ng-colorado-woman/TW3QMUCJ3RDQROSMHOYZJ5ST3E/
     
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  6. MikeF

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    What if someone is falsely convicted of capital murder?
     
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    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    What if there's DNA, finger prints, witnesses, video, they have the murder weapon, they are caught in the act?
     
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    Didn't you post a thread on this a while ago? ;)

    I believe the death penalty is sometimes appropriate for murder one if there is no question as to guilt and the crime was heinous. I refuse to go down the road, "what if" he/she was not guilty after all? I am referring to cases where there is no question as to the guilt of the perpetrator.
     
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  9. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    And many, many times this is wrong as it was the human who was the instigator. Why do we punish innocent animals and not these despicable vermin who have no respect for life non-human life?
     
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    Personally i am against any form of killing, and i can not understand how human beings can deside over other humans who live or die by humans.
    But i do not speak for others, so people can have their free opinion about this topic :)
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    It's to insure such people never ever kill again. Removing a threat.
     
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    Life with no parole does that.

    Let's say that is the case sometimes where guilt is based on proof positive not 'beyond a reasonable doubt' with many errors.

    There's a question I don't know the answer to that would affect my judgement. Since I believe in reincarnation/karma, would the state executing a proven murderer in part balance the murders the person has committed? If the answer is 'yes', then I have no moral objection to capital punishment since the murderer will be killed sooner or later anyway and the perhaps partial balancing might just as well happen now as later.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Not if there is an escape.
     
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    If murder is wrong, then capital punishment is wrong.
    If we think people should have an unalienable right to life, then capital punishment is illegal.
    Some people don't give a rat's donkey for human rights. Civilized people call them barbarians.
     
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    We just aren't seeing this as an issue in places that have abolished the death penalty.
    It's the same with the predictions of increased homicide rates if the death penalty is abolished. Places that have abolished it, to the contrary of these predictions have actually saw a decrease in homicides (it's believed this is due to the lack of motive and incentive to kill witnesses).
     
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    In His Book of Laws, Baha'u'llah has given death as the penalty for murder but He has permitted life imprisonment as an alternative. Both practices would be in accordance with His Laws.

    According to my beliefs, if a murderer gets the death penalty God will not impose a second penalty upon the person after that person dies, but if a murderer gets life in prison God will impose a second penalty upon that person in the afterlife. So who is really better off? I guess that would all depend upon the punishment God imposes, but I for one would not want to be on the other side of God's wrath, especially given the heinous crimes I have seen people commit.

    Also, according to my beliefs, if an innocent person is falsely condemned to die, God will compensate that person a thousandfold in the afterlife for this human injustice.
     
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    Capital punishment is not murder, murder is taking the life of an innocent person who did nothing to deserve being killed.
     
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    I mean, I'm also against terminating the life of animals just because it hurt a human. Can you imagine if a bunch of people tried to hunt down the stingray that ended Steve Irwin's life? (Yes, a bunch of morons tried this) Both excuses of 'for justice' and 'for safety' would ring hollow, it wouldn't help his grieving family, they're probably going to target the wrong stingray anyway, and it would be a poor way to serve Steve's memory.
     
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    Murder is a legal term, not an ethical one. Unlawful premeditated killing is murder. Capitol punishment is murder in countries where it's unlawful for government to execute prisoners. Abortion is murder only in countries where it's illegal. One nation's murderous assassin is another nation's legal covert ops.
     
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  20. oldbadger

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    Hi.......
    In the UK we hanged so many innocents..... so many.
    We hanged men for murdering their wives and babies, when in fact their landlords committed the crime.
    We hanged mentally challenged men because their friend shot a cop.... whilst they themselves were under arrest and no threat.
    We hanged women who shot their lovers whilst totally deranged by compassion.
    We just hanged people....... and we often got it wrong.

    Our most famous hangman Albert Pierrepoint wrote that ....after a working lifetime of hanging convicts he didn't think that the death penalty had had any effect upon crime stats whatsoever.

    ......... and watch out for the religions that want the death penalty, because their lists of capital offences can be quite lengthy.
     
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