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The culture war is over

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
If truth be told, many of the social values we have in place to day are more "Christian" than those espoused by the dead hand of religion.

Religion scorns those that are different, or hold views different to their own.
It holds view on sexuality and gender that can not be supported, by equality, fairness, or any measure of reality.
religion is divisive, and promotes strife between people of other faiths.
It encourage reactionary ideas based on primitive concepts that have no reality today.
All these concepts are based on Man's greeds, Jealousies, hatreds and pride.

It is Religion that needs a spiritual reassessment and make over.
It needs to confirm God's love by addressing these issues, and the issues related to the future of the natural environment.

It is Religion that needs to catch up.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
It's refreshing to see someone recognize that their position utterly failed, and that that failure was due in part to the actions of people who share his notions.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
While it is nice to see someone defending the indefensible admit defeat, this article is somewhat ahistorical. Evangelicals did not enter the political scene in the 1980s over abortion. The nascent movement started in the 1970s, and they were then concerned with defending their tax-exempt segregation schools from IRS rules. They tried rallying people around a lot of different issues: Pornography, school prayer, the Equal Rights Amendment, etc. The political principles that they initially objected to, at least as measured by their leadership, were established by Brown v Board of Education. The religious right only picked up the anti-gay and anti-abortion positions in the very late 1970s, after seeing how largely Catholic anti-abortion campaigns succeeded in 1978 and the success of the Anita Bryant anti-gay crusades shortly before it.

The real irony is that in fighting the culture wars, they have helped swell the ranks of the non-religious.
 

Paranoid Android

Active Member
While it is nice to see someone defending the indefensible admit defeat, this article is somewhat ahistorical. Evangelicals did not enter the political scene in the 1980s over abortion. The nascent movement started in the 1970s, and they were then concerned with defending their tax-exempt segregation schools from IRS rules. They tried rallying people around a lot of different issues: Pornography, school prayer, the Equal Rights Amendment, etc. The political principles that they initially objected to, at least as measured by their leadership, were established by Brown v Board of Education. The religious right only picked up the anti-gay and anti-abortion positions in the very late 1970s, after seeing how largely Catholic anti-abortion campaigns succeeded in 1978 and the success of the Anita Bryant anti-gay crusades shortly before it.

The real irony is that in fighting the culture wars, they have helped swell the ranks of the non-religious.
Religion can reform themselves. It dose not need to be at war with the culture, it can be sensible, reasonable, rational, non-ludicrous, empathic. More importantly, it can be a voice for the voiceless and for groups malinged and hated. It can show through it's interactions, that it REALLY believes what it says, even unto the point of DEATH.
I refuse to comfort or give aid to evil. I will resist it, even if that should lead to my eventual execution.
 

AnnaCzereda

Active Member
Bleh. I don't think Christianity lost any war though it needs to adapt itself to the changing culture and society. And it will adapt with a few hard-core conservatives lingering behind. Didn't the Catholic Church and most of the Protestant Churches accept evolution? Don't they hold services in national languages? Even earlier, they accepted the fact that the Earth isn't flat and the center of the universe although they vehemently opposed Copernicus discovery and also much later evolution. I'm sure that in time most Christian Churches will accept homosexual marriages, the use of contraceptives and abortion, at least in certain circumstances. Perhaps, I won't live long enough to see it but it's very probable it will happen. We only have to be patient. It's a turtle chasing a rabbit.

I agree with this blogger that it's a mistake to leave children for the state and the Church to bring them up. Children now spend too little time with their parents who are often overworked. It's a ****ty social system.
 

Paranoid Android

Active Member
Bleh. I don't think Christianity lost any war though it needs to adapt itself to the changing culture and society. And it will adapt with a few hard-core conservatives lingering behind. Didn't the Catholic Church and most of the Protestant Churches accept evolution? Don't they hold services in national languages? Even earlier, they accepted the fact that the Earth isn't flat and the center of the universe although they vehemently opposed Copernicus discovery and also much later evolution. I'm sure that in time most Christian Churches will accept homosexual marriages, the use of contraceptives and abortion, at least in certain circumstances. Perhaps, I won't live long enough to see it but it's very probable it will happen. We only have to be patient. It's a turtle chasing a rabbit.

I agree with this blogger that it's a mistake to leave children for the state and the Church to bring them up. Children now spend too little time with their parents who are often overworked. It's a ****ty social system.

I believe religions got to show more interest in those who don't have a voice. That is why I am so adamant about the disabled.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I agree with this blogger that it's a mistake to leave children for the state and the Church to bring them up. Children now spend too little time with their parents who are often overworked. It's a ****ty social system.

I strongly agree with you here.
Raising children is a big and crucial job. It is not something you squeeze in between making money to buy unnecessary items and self-actualization. If neither parent is prepared to make child care a full time position it is probably irresponsible to risk having children. The church, state, TV, school, daycare, or internet are not substitutes for dedicated parenting.
Tom
 
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