The Crucifixion - An Alternative View

[rocala]

I am not a Christian but I had a Christian upbringing. Like most in the west I am very familiar with the imagery of the crucifixion.
I have just found this painting by James Tissot. It is the scene as Jesus would have seen it. Not something I had ever considered.
I was a little shocked and very moved by this.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

I'm torn about what to believe about this painting. On the one hand, we get to see the world through The Savior's eyes, but on the other hand, are we worthy of doing that?

 

[Laika]

I am not a Christian but I had a Christian upbringing. Like most in the west I am very familiar with the imagery of the crucifixion.
I have just found this painting by James Tissot. It is the scene as Jesus would have seen it. Not something I had ever considered.
I was a little shocked and very moved by this.

hmmm... Does Jesus see the Sinners who put him on the cross to die in agony, or the lost facing death who need to be saved? definitely an interesting idea for a painting. the feet at the bottom of the painting is a nice touch.

I'm torn about what to believe about this painting. On the one hand, we get to see the world through The Savior's eyes, but on the other hand, are we worthy of doing that?

We can aspire to be worthy of it, but we'll make mistakes along the way.

 

[rocala]

I'm torn about what to believe about this painting. On the one hand, we get to see the world through The Savior's eyes, but on the other hand, are we worthy of doing that?

Hi Lucian
I think it is ok, as the scene would have been witnessed by the other two men being executed that day. In that sense it is not uniquely the view of Jesus.
Just my P.O.V.

 

[Magus]

Romans beheaded criminals, then put the head on a stake, Since there is no way Jesus could have resurrected from a beheading, since his hand holes never healed up, then a bizarre convenient punishment was needed for the myth, that did not penetrate vital organs or mutilate any body parts. Obvious signs of myth-making.

 

[rocala]

@Magus I do not personally believe in the resurrection, a point which should be obvious. Why did the Romans crucify people, was it reserved for non criminals?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Romans beheaded criminals, then put the head on a stake, Since there is no way Jesus could have resurrected from a beheading, since his hand holes never healed up, then a bizarre convenient punishment was needed for the myth, that did not penetrate vital organs or mutilate any body parts. Obvious signs of myth-making.

From Wiki ...

Execution by beheading has been used as a form of capital punishmentfor millennia. The terms "capital offence", "capital crime", "capital punishment," derive from the Latin caput, "head", referring to the punishment for serious offences involving the forfeiture of the head; i.e.,death by beheading.[10] In some cultures, such as ancient Rome and Greece, decapitation was regarded as the most honorable form of death.[11] The extension of the "privilege" of beheading to criminals of ordinary birth was among the symbolic changes brought about by the French Revolution.[11] In other cases, such as the use of beheading by Japanese troops during World War II, its use was considered a form of contempt.[11] In recent times, it has become associated with terrorism.[11]

[emphasis added - JS]​

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not something I had ever considered.
I was a little shocked and very moved by this.

This is a great example of the value of Art. Thanks.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Romans beheaded criminals, then put the head on a stake, Since there is no way Jesus could have resurrected from a beheading, since his hand holes never healed up, then a bizarre convenient punishment was needed for the myth, that did not penetrate vital organs or mutilate any body parts. Obvious signs of myth-making.

Jesus did not commit a capital crime, nor was He a Roman citizen. Beheading was considered an honorable punishment for severe crimes committed by Roman citizens. Beheading Him could have also been interpreted as confirming His status as "king" of the Jews, which many people called Him. Only kings captured in battle were given honorable deaths such as decapitation.

 

[Shiranui117]

I'm torn about what to believe about this painting. On the one hand, we get to see the world through The Savior's eyes, but on the other hand, are we worthy of doing that?

You're called to do it, regardless of whether or not you're worthy.

 

[DavidFirth]

Romans beheaded criminals, then put the head on a stake, Since there is no way Jesus could have resurrected from a beheading, since his hand holes never healed up, then a bizarre convenient punishment was needed for the myth, that did not penetrate vital organs or mutilate any body parts. Obvious signs of myth-making.

I suppose you are unaware that the Romans crucified people pretty regularly in Jesus' day.

 

[Magus]

I suppose you are unaware that the Romans crucified people pretty regularly in Jesus' day.

Are you aware that the Greek word 'Staurus' means 'stake' , as well as the Latin word 'Crux' , from a root word meaning 'To turn or bend' , there doesn't exist a single word in Greek or Latin that specifically means 'Stick a guy on a cross' , 'Chiasm' ('χιάζω) in Greek mean 'Shaped like an X' so maybe that be a better word.

,The 'Christian Cross' doesn't come from the narratives in the Gospels , but from the Symbol of 'Military victory' (gk. Eugallion / Gospel )

That's what an actual ROMAN Cross looked like, that is where the Christian Cross came from, Do you see anyone ON the actual cross itself? Christians simply distorted this symbol.

 

[DavidFirth]

So a coin tells you that crucifixions like the one of Christ did not and could not have possibly happened.

Sure thing, sport.

 

[Magus]

So a coin tells you that crucifixions like the one of Christ did not and could not have possibly happened.

Sure thing, sport.

There is no Roman epigraphy depicting crucifixion , All depictions of a 'Cross' dating to Roman times are all symbols of Victory .

Like this, column of Trajan.

That is a CROSS, but decorated, sometimes they would use Trees, it seems Christians have the cross symbolism backwards.

 

[DavidFirth]

There is no Roman epigraphy depicting crucifixion , All depictions of a 'Cross' dating to Roman times are all symbols of Victory .

Like this, column of Trajan.

That is a CROSS, but decorated, sometimes they would use Trees, it seems Christians have the cross symbolism backwards.

Pardon me, but it seems to me that your theories concerning this subject are whacked.

Do you have any links that support your claims?

 

[Magus]

Pardon me, but it seems to me that your theories concerning this subject are whacked.

Do you have any links that support your claims?

Evidence written on metal and built in stone, but you must be whacked to believe a 'Jew' was nailed to a piece of wood for three days then resurrecting to save Sins, cos a mud man rib woman ate a fruit cos tempted by a talking snake. Your the one with the nonsensical supernatural claims.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not a Christian but I had a Christian upbringing. Like most in the west I am very familiar with the imagery of the crucifixion.
I have just found this painting by James Tissot. It is the scene as Jesus would have seen it. Not something I had ever considered.
I was a little shocked and very moved by this.

This is very beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Ingledsva]

Are you aware that the Greek word 'Staurus' means 'stake' , as well as the Latin word 'Crux' , from a root word meaning 'To turn or bend' , there doesn't exist a single word in Greek or Latin that specifically means 'Stick a guy on a cross' , 'Chiasm' ('χιάζω) in Greek mean 'Shaped like an X' so maybe that be a better word.

,The 'Christian Cross' doesn't come from the narratives in the Gospels , but from the Symbol of 'Military victory' (gk. Eugallion / Gospel )

That's what an actual ROMAN Cross looked like, that is where the Christian Cross came from, Do you see anyone ON the actual cross itself? Christians simply distorted this symbol.

The cross is an ancient sun sign.

YHVH the Sun God in his SOLAR Chariot, surrounded by the Zodiac. From an ancient synagogue floor.

Solar cross with halo.

*

 

[Magus]

Modern Judaism is entirely based on the 'Talmud' , produced from the 5th Century CE, Islam in the 6th and the Catholic Church was established by Innocent in the 11th century CE
so these 'Abrahamic religions' are not as Ancient as they make out to be.

YHWH, or in Phoenician, IEUE , is the same as ZEUS and IOVE , they 'Interchange' between the Ancient languages, that is why , the Temple of Zeus was built in the Old City of Jerusalem and why you will find Mosaics of Helios in ancient synagogues around Judea.

 

[DavidFirth]

Evidence written on metal and built in stone, but you must be whacked to believe a 'Jew' was nailed to a piece of wood for three days then resurrecting to save Sins, cos a mud man rib woman ate a fruit cos tempted by a talking snake. Your the one with the nonsensical supernatural claims.

I didn't think so.