The Creation

[AFRICAN]

Peace & Blessings ,

I have no goal or intention except to clarify the truth and follow it ,to make falsehood clear and to avoid it ,and to enjoin goodness & forbid evil .Only god is the one who helps and i place my trust in him ,There is no power or strength except by god before i start let me remind you of god's words
"And if you dispute about anything,refer back to Allah (God) and his messenger if you truly believe in Allah and the last day "[4:59]

In this post by god willing i will discuss two things CREATION and The Message
First i will start with CREATION .
I understand Some of you Do not believe that we are created i will try my best to clear things up so bare with me thank you ...
P.s
Post might be long so i will try and be more concise

The Origin of Life .

Why Does Allah Tell Us About the Creation?

The Holy Qur’an is the book given to us by the Creator of the Universe. Allah, (literally: THE God) which is His personal Name, knows us best and is aware that humans can be very SKEPTICAL creatures.​

Allah points out, "...if you were to seek a tunnel into the earth or a ladder into the skies and bring them a sign, (they still wouldn’t be convinced.) If it were Allah’s will, He could gather them all into true guidance, so don’t be among those who are influenced by ignorance." (6:35)​

Allah, the Keeper of Wisdom, makes it a point to give as many proofs in the Qur’an about His existence and creative abilities as possible so the maximum number of humans can be guided. We need proof, and Allah gives us that proof. (2:26, 40:57)"​

Assuredly the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind; but most of mankind know not. (57) And the blind man and the seer are not equal, neither are those who believe and do good works (equal with) the evil-doer. Little do ye reflect! (58) Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not. (59) And your Lord hath said: Pray unto Me and I will hear your prayer. Lo! those who scorn My service, they will enter hell, disgraced. (60) Allah it is Who hath appointed for you night that ye may rest therein, and day for seeing. Lo! Allah is a Lord of bounty for mankind, yet most of mankind give not thanks. (61) Such is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of all things, There is no God save Him. How then are ye perverted? (62) Thus are they perverted who deny the revelations of Allah. (63) Allah it is Who appointed for you the earth for a dwelling-place and the sky for a canopy, and fashioned you and perfected your shapes, and hath provided you with good things. Such is Allah, your Lord. Then blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! (64) He is the Living One. There is no God save Him. So pray unto Him, making religion pure for Him (only). Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! (65)Surat Ghafir .

Allah, of course, does not need us to follow Him, or believe in Him. As He states, "Allah can do without them and Allah is free of all needs." (64:6)​

He merely wishes that people would choose to believe in Him so He can reward them for their choice. Allah is ready to forgive even those who acted wrongly if they but ask for His forgiveness.​

In a Hadith, or saying of the Blessed Prophet Muhammad, we learn, "When Allah decreed the creation (of the universe,) He set down in His book which is with Him, ‘Indeed, My mercy is stronger than My wrath.’" (Bukhari & Muslim. Also see 6:12)​

Among the proofs given in the Qur’an for us to learn from is a very detailed explanation of the different features of the universe, how it was made and how the planets and stars were formed. Allah says that, "To Him is due the origin of space and the Earth." (6:101)​

Of course, most people who lived at the Prophet’s time would never have understood what those ayat really meant, but they accepted them anyway and interpreted them as best they could. Sometimes they came up with very interesting explanations.​

Allah instructs us to accept everything in the Qur’an, even if we don’t yet know how to understand it. The understanding of the Qur’an grows with each passing generation. As He said, "The intelligent people declare, ‘We believe in the book, the whole of it is from our Lord." (3:7)​

 

[zenzero]

Friend AFRICAN,

Sorry, existence is only interested in YOU, your own feelings. Your own thoughts which come out of your own BEING! not what is said by someone or what is written somewhere.

Kindly discuss your own experiences / understanding of LIFE through your own eyes about any topic depicting righteousness or otherwise and shall be available for discussion.
However, am sure you will find many members who like you are followers who will discuss with you on your topic.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds

 

[Nothing]

AFRICAN- thank you for writing out so many passages from the Qur'an. It is in fact my first exposure to it, and though much may be beyond my understanding, some of it is not and within what I do understand I see great Wisdom.
I share my friend zenzero's sentiments. I would like to know how you apply the teachings of Allah through the Qur'an in your own life and how it brought you the peace and blessings that you offer at the beginning of your thread.

 

[Tiapan]

All sounds very repetitive and falsely dogmatic, like the first 4 commandments. Throw out commonsense and believe in a superstition which if you dont believe you will be punished. Surely we got past this childish era centuries ago.
Read Lord of the Rings its a better book. It is written in english I cannot understand Arabic.

Secondly If the universe has always and will always exist, why does it need a creator, or "the creation". As I see neither are required or relevent

Cheers

 

[AFRICAN]

I will reply to your comments after am done by god willing ..
Let me continue..

Modern Science and Islam.​

Modern day scientists have been awe-struck at how complex and intricate the universe is. (67:3-4) The sciences of astronomy, chemistry, astrophysics and molecular biology have pushed the limits of our knowledge ever further.​

These new discoveries have assisted greatly in the understanding of what the ayat in the Qur’an mean. For example, there is a section of verses where Allah mentions that during the process of human development, there is a stage where we were an ‘Alaq in the womb. (96:1-5) The word literally means, "a clinging thing." But no one knew in past centuries how that could be part of the process of growth for a fetus.​

So translators, commentators and scholars have tried to explain it as meaning we were clots of blood or other such strange things in the womb. But new discoveries in the last few years have shown that in the early stages of pregnancy, the fertilized egg actually attaches itself to the uterine wall and clings there as it is growing. Thus, modern knowledge unlocks another mystery that previous Muslims could only guess at.​

The same thing is true in other areas to quite a startling degree. When we study the ayat of the Qur’an relating to the creation of the universe, we come away astounded, especially since they agree with what we have only discovered in the last ten, twenty and fifty years.​

The Qur’an does not give a single, unified essay on how the universe began. Instead, keeping with the Qur’anic method of teaching, different aspects of creation are mentioned in different places in order to give authority to the particular lesson being taught. (See 30:58)​

For example, in Surah at Tariq, (86) Allah begins by mentioning the brightest star which appears in the sky at night. Then He describes this star and uses it as a metaphor for how every human has an angel watching over them. Do you see how Allah uses physical aspects of nature to illustrate spiritual principles?​

 

[JustWondering]

I'm sorry what are we debating again? You are a little long winded. How the universe came about correct? You say Allah created the universe, I am inclined to believe that the basic components that make up what we can percieve of the universe (energy and matter basically) have always and will always exist and there is no need for a supernatural creator/s. If there is an afterlife/spirit world I would assume it operates along similar principles (no all-powerful overseer, a realm that operates under certain universal unbiased rules).

 

[AFRICAN]

I'm sorry what are we debating again? You are a little long winded. How the universe came about correct? You say Allah created the universe, I am inclined to believe that the basic components that make up what we can percieve of the universe (energy and matter basically) have always and will always exist and there is no need for a supernatural creator/s. If there is an afterlife/spirit world I would assume it operates along similar principles (no all-powerful overseer, a realm that operates under certain universal unbiased rules).

Think again ! Who created Energy & Matter ??

 

[AFRICAN]

The Qur’anic History of Creation.

After we find the references to creation in the Qur’an, then we can piece them together to get a picture of how Allah’s revelation explains the beginning. we Muslims, however, we must not forget to look into the lesson taught in each passage. We must remember what the purpose is for including these signs in the Qur’an so we can be enlightened spiritually as well as mentally.​

Allah begins by stating that the universe and planet Earth took six "days" to create. (7:54) Now it must be remembered that in Arabic the word Youm can mean a day as we know it, or it can mean any stage or period of time. As Allah points out, a day to him can be a thousand years, fifty thousand years or more. 1​

The creation of planets and the Earth took place in the last two periods of time. As Allah states in the Qur’an, "Declare, ‘Do you disbelieve in the One Who created the Earth in two stages? Do you make others equal to Him? He is the Lord of all the worlds.’" (41:9)​

The process of creation can be summarized as follows: All matter in the universe was compacted together in one place. Then Allah gave the command and it blew apart scattering molecules and gases in all directions. ("The Big Bang.") The force of this initial explosion keeps the universe expanding.​

Space was filled with matter, anti-matter and gases which eventually combined into larger particles. These bits of matter eventually grew into asteroids, planets, stars and moons. Each object of inter-stellar space conformed to a set of physical laws which governed the trajectory of their orbits so a regular pattern of rotation could be seen. (21:33, 29:61)​

Stars ignited in a fury of radioactive fusion and gave off light and heat which brought warmth to those planets near them. (86:3) Small moons were captured in the orbit of larger planets and came to have a regular orbit around them, often reflecting light from the sun. (54:1-2)​

Finally, the planets themselves developed and formed in a variety of ways with fantastic geologic formations and movements both above and below the surface. (27:61)​

The planet Earth, in particular, cooled near its outer layers, forming a thin crust made up of plates that moved and grated against each other. (15:19) This allowed the Earth’s surface to constantly erase the damage caused by occasional asteroid impacts. But the colliding of the plates also had the side effect of raising tall mountains and exposing the geologic history of the planet.​

Escaping gases from the ground and water, warmed in the sunlight, eventually raised to a high altitude where they formed a protective layer. This Ozone Layer shielded out harmful radiation and ultraviolet rays from the sun.​

After a time, life was to appear but that is the subject of the next lesson. For now, it is amazing that this scientific narrative is almost exactly the same as what Allah revealed in the Qur’an. Look at the following illustrations showing what happened, what Allah said about it, and the ayat from which they come.​

You will be amazed and can only proclaim your wonder at Allah’s Revelation. Remember, He mentioned these things to teach us to be believers in Him. If He tells us the truth, we would be fools not to believe in Him. Right?​

"Don’t they see anything in the functioning of space and the Earth and in all things Allah created?" (7:185)​

 

[Riverwolf]

Think again ! Who created Energy & Matter ??

No one. They were always there, but in different forms.

 

[AFRICAN]

Give me proof that they were always there !??!!?

 

[AFRICAN]

How Can We Know the World Around Us?

As we have learned already, Islamic teachings assume that the Earth and universe are very old. In addition, the Qur’an states clearly that one of the reasons Allah made us intelligent and self-aware, or Sentient, is so that we can discover the wonders of the natural world around us. In short, Allah gave us the mission to investigate what He created.​

There is so much we don’t know or understand, even about how our own bodies work. With all these fantastic areas of knowledge to pursue, you would think that everyone would recognize their Lord. But some still choose to keep their eyes shut. As Allah says, "He, (Allah,) created humans from a drop of sperm and then the same humans become clear arguers!" (16:4.)​

But thankfully, not everyone closes their understanding and the world has many fine examples of great scientists and researchers who also put their trust in Allah.​

In our modern world there are so many discoveries in all fields which are giving us a more complete picture of the history of the universe. At the same time, our knowledge of Earth’s past is expanding and revealing some surprising results.​

 

[Rogue Cardinal]

Give me proof that they were always there !??!!?

Give me proof that it was created.

So what you have a little book written by men. So many religions have the same thing. Me and my friends could write a book and SAY we were inspired by Munagwagon the new god of the universe that really always was. And you wouldn't be able to dispute anything we said because we'd use the same tactics that all theists use. When we wrote it, through divine inspiration of course....our god would of course be the only word that mattered and he infact created your god. You can't prove that my god didn't create your god. Thus you lose.

 

[AFRICAN]

It is clear that Allah(God) says in the glorious Quran, in chapter 17 Paragraph 88 : " Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another"

 

[OmarKhayyam]

It is clear that Allah(God) says in the glorious Quran, in chapter 17 Paragraph 88 : " Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another"

And this proves exactly what?
You can't reproduce Shakespeare either - so what?

If you have some actual evidence, falsifiable, verifiable testable evidence let's hear it.

Otherwise you have a hateful medieval myth that belongs in the ash can of history.

 

[AFRICAN]

What Do We Know about the Origins of Life?

Today, scientists tell us that life began in the sea when simple molecules bonded together and became self-replicating, or self-producing. These single-celled organisms, quickly took on the characteristics of what we know as algae.​

They received their energy from the sun in a process termed Photosynthesis, and as a result of their activity, new gases formed in the air creating a viable environment for more complex forms of life.​

As Muslims we can either accept this theory, reject it or modify it according to what we know in Allah’s revelation. We learned that Allah said He created all life from water and raised a protective canopy over the Earth. Allah knows best and all we can do is study, research, test and reflect.​

Scientists further tell us that over millions of years, the first organisms blossomed gradually into many different types and shapes, resulting in plant life, plankton, arthropods and simple fishes. Higher creatures and mammals followed.​

 

[te_lanus]

*was wondering what MoF would sound like in Islam*

 

[Riverwolf]

Give me proof that they were always there !??!!?

Logic.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it can only change forms. Basic scientific principle. I do not know the mechanics of how this was discovered, as I am not a scientist myself. But I'll put my trust in them before I put my trust in an ancient text when it comes to the nature of the world.

 

[Riverwolf]

It is clear that Allah(God) says in the glorious Quran, in chapter 17 Paragraph 88 : " Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another"

What would be the qualifications of a book that's like the Qur'an? I've read better, more engaging, books that are older than it, as well as books that have been written recently.

So what makes the Qur'an so special that it cannot be reproduced?

 

[AFRICAN]

And this proves exactly what?
You can't reproduce Shakespeare either - so what?

If you have some actual evidence, falsifiable, verifiable testable evidence let's hear it.

Otherwise you have a hateful medieval myth that belongs in the ash can of history.

This proves that NO ONE can come up with writings like in the Quran .
The Actual evidence is NO ONE DID IT :sarcastic

 

[Riverwolf]

This proves that NO ONE can come up with writings like in the Quran .
The Actual evidence is NO ONE DID IT :sarcastic

Please explain how Mestemia's post supports your view.

Especially since the poetry of Shakespeare is pretty much as good as English poetry can get, and I'd rather read Shakespeare than any English version of the Qur'an, as they aren't very good, and I don't intend to learn Arabic anytime soon.