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Featured The Contradiction of an All-powerful, All-knowing God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by scott777, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Super Universe

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    What makes sense to me is not necessarily true? Think about it. What is the real reason you don't believe in aliens? The answer is not something you are going to easily admit to.

    When I dream, how does my brain know to create a completely autonomous entity to have a conversation with me? The brain is incapable of anything like that. The brain is not a biological information storage device, it's a biological receiver/transmitter. Our dreams happen in our mind which does not exist in our brains. The mind exists in God. The brain only receives the signal.

    I was complaining about the state of reality I find myself in? I wasn't. What I said was "Jesus said that if we knew who we were we could tell a mountain to move and it would move." I didn't say I was disappointed or upset about it.

    Things are as they should be? Depends on how your view of it. If Lucifer did not start a rebellion then Adam and Eve would not have failed and humanity would be much farther evolved than we are and Jesus probably would have picked another planet for His material being mission. There are a lot of things that I would have done differently.

    Perhaps the only thing God is doing is moving things around? If you could move farther out in the universe you would see new nebula's forming where there were none before and you would see some of those nebula's spin up into spiral galaxies.

    Scientology is all about channeling? Auditing is not channeling. I think you have a very wide definition of channeling. Meditation is also not channeling. Dreams are not channeling either. Channeling is having a telepathic connection with another being and allowing that being to use your body to convey information.

    I'm agreeing with you that neither you or I know when the next genetic change will happen? There is a source that is saying that the next genetic change is already starting but it's not what I would consider a "credible" source.

    You were hoping for an introduction to aliens? You shouldn't. The ones that are coming here are disobeying the law of non-interference. They are up to no good.

    The Double Slit Experiment result is theory? The experiment result is not theory. The result is fact. Why and how the universe works like that is where the theory part comes in.
     
  2. Super Universe

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    Boo hoo.
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    You still here with nothing to say?
     
  4. ChristineM

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    Nope but you are delusional.
     
  5. Nakosis

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    Do to a lack of verifiable information, I lack a strong opinion either way.

    So how have you verified this?

    Here is what you said about God not meeting your expectations:

    God lives up to my expectations? Not even close. My expectations would be that God would provide a safe learning environment for His children to learn. There is nothing safe about a primitive society with serial killers, molesters, sexual deviants, thieves, liars, selfish people, and control freaks.

    Seems like a complaint to me.

    See, "things you would have done differently" Isn't that complaining about how things were done?

    How do you know these things were created from nothing?

    Channelling is only what you say it is because you're the expert? How much channelling have you done. Have you ever been in a Scientology session?

    Look, I'm relying on what you are telling me. Then you disagree with it. I feel like I'm willing to give you more the benefit of the doubt then you give yourself.

    You got that from Star Trek didn't you? ;)

    Sorry, but your posts seem to consist of random thoughts. Which may or may not be valid, but there's no common direction to them.

    Maybe you're too distracted by Christine. No offense but it is getting too exhausting to remind you of your previous comments that I'm responding to.
     
  6. Bird123

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    The error of your assumption is that God is like what religion teaches. Your further assumption is that for God, it's all about God.

    How about this: If God is Unconditional Love,God's actions are in the best interest for us, His children. That means the fiery pit of Hell exists only in the eyes of religion. It is not real. Next, for Heaven to exist, people have to be wise enough to be able to live in it. If the people on Earth suddenly found themselves in Heaven, how long would it stay peaceful?

    As I see it, It's all about Us, God's Children. This physical world exists in order to educate us toward perfection where Heaven can be possible. Along the way, we get to experience it all, learn it all, through our free choices.

    Sure God is all powerful and all knowing. That is why all the kiddies will make it to Heaven no matter how many lifetimes it takes to get there.
     
  7. Super Universe

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    You don't believe in aliens because of a lack of verifiable information? So to you all the different life on the earth is not an indication of life anywhere else even though the night sky is full of galaxies?

    Have I verified that the brain is a receiver/transitter? How would I do that?

    God does did not meet my expectations? My expectations were primitive. I used to think, like most religions teach, that God was all concerned with humans and very involved with humanity. He's not.

    There are things I would have done differently? It's not a complaint, it's a realization that it's not about me or you getting what we want. A child can complain that they did not get a Barbie doll house for Christmas but when the child grows up they may understand that her father had just lost his job and had to get the car fixed and pay bills so he did not have the money to get her what she wanted.

    How do I know nebula's and galaxies were created from nothing? They were not created from nothing. Space is a matrix.

    Am I an expert in channeling? Don't know. What defines a channeling expert?

    How much channeling have I done? None. How many NASA scientists have been to Mars or the moon or Jupiter?

    Have I ever been in a Scientology session? No way. That's never going to happen.

    You're relying on what I tell you? Why would you do that? I am neither the Alpha nor the Omega. Look things up for yourself and make up your own mind.

    I got the law of non-interference from Star Trek? Actually no. The Star Trek people violated the prime directive somewhat often in order to help beings. In reality the more evolved beings in the universe never help lower beings other than in extremely rare cases they will quickly give some advice and then leave.

    My posts seem to consist of random thoughts? You're confusing yourself.

    There is no common direction to my posts? Each line is a response to a separate question. They're not supposed to blend together. If you are confused that is because you are trying to impose your own preconceived ideas onto what I am saying. People find it incredibly difficult to tear down the structures they have built to support what they want to believe.

    I don't see Christine's posts anymore.
     
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    I find Adam had No pre-human existence but was made form the dust of the ground - Genesis 2:7 - and at Adam's death Adam ' returned ' to the dust of the ground according to Genesis 3:19.
    A person can Not ' return ' or ' go back ' to a place he never was before, so Adam simply went back to where he started from which was the dust of the Earth.

    Since the wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7 then there is No eternal destiny anywhere.
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    God can read hearts which we can't, but I find because of free-will choices our hearts and mind's choices can change for better or for worse. If we choose Not to repent, then we will perish (be destroyed) - 2nd Peter 3:9.

    Can you think of anyone righteous that went to hell ?______
    The day righteous Jesus' died Jesus went to hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27
    So, if the Bible's hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell.
    Rather, at his death Jesus was simply in biblical hell or the temporary grave for the dead.
     
  10. URAVIP2ME

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    Rather, I find parents are responsible for minor children according to 1 Corinthians 7:14.
    The executed children of Noah's day were destroyed.
    We are all given two (2) choices to either ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' ( be destroyed - 2 Peter 3:9 )
    So, the minor children of wicked parents will perish with the parents because the wicked will be destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7.

    I find No mention of kiddies at Luke 22:28-30 but adults in heaven who choose to serve God as Jesus does.
     
  11. URAVIP2ME

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    I wonder how 'all the rest can have salvation' when Jesus taught that would Not be the case for anyone committing the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32, and Hebrews 6:4-6.

    I find the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary grave for the sleeping un-conscious dead.
    The day Jesus' died he went to biblical hell. If biblical hell was a forever place Jesus would still be in hell.
    Rather, Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach the dead are in a sleep-like state:
    - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
    And as Revelation 20:13-14 teaches that everyone in ' hell ' will be ' delivered up ' (KJV) meaning 'resurrected' out of biblical hell before emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell (grave).
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

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    I find we can Not commit the unforgivable sin of Matthew12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 and be forgiven.
    The punishment for the wicked is annihilation, or being destroyed forever as Psalms 92:7 says.
     
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    NO, I Never said God knows what is in our hearts and mind 'long before we do' . Absolutely did Not say that.
    Saying God can read hearts does NOT mean in advance, but at each present time. - Isaiah 11:3-4.
    As Ezekiel wrote to us at Ezekiel 11:19; 18:31; 36:26 that a heart of stone can become like a heart of flesh (soft).
    We all have the free-will choices of 2 Peter 3:9 to either ' repent ' (soften heart and mind) or ' perish '(harden into a heart of stone).

    KJV Revelation 13:8 says that all that dwell (live) upon the earth shall worship him ('him' being the beast of Revelation 13:1 ) whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the 'Lamb slain from the foundation of the world' . So, it was the Lamb (aka Jesus Revelation 5:12) who was slain from the foundation of the world (Not the foundation of the Earth) but the foundation of the world of mankind starting with Abel. The Lamb ( Jesus slain from the foundation the world of mankind ). In other words, from the time of Abel as per Matthew 23:38; Genesis 3:15.

    The ones who ' overcome ' will Not have their names blotted out of the book of life according to Revelation 3:5.
    Blotted out means can be taken out or erased out of the book of life - Exodus 32:32-33.
    Any thoughts about Psalms 69:28
     
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    What does that say about a God unwilling or unable to fix His children rather than destroy them? How can a God of Unconditional Love pick the lower level of destroying the children? It doesn't matter what mankind writes in those holy books. It's not going to happen. Further, I don't think the real God would use fear and intimidation with the threat of destruction for the purpose of coercing the children. God has to be much smarter than that.
     
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    That belief is where people make their false reasoning's of God. The only humans God create and gave life to, were Adam and Eve, no one else. He told Adam and Eve to "multiply and fill the earth". When a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, do you believe it was God who caused the baby to be conceived?
     
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    I wonder where in the Bible does it say that God has Un-conditional love.
    I find 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 definitely shows conditions.
    Jesus too at John 4:23-24 gives the condition that we must worship God with truth.
    At John 17:17 Jesus believed that Scripture is religious truth such as the Golden Rule life style.

    If everyone lived by God's Golden 'fixing' Rule then there would be No destruction because there would be No wicked ones on Earth. The choice God gives is to ' repent '. Do you think repenting is intimidation or coercing.
    Children are Not being coerced. 'Parents' are responsible for minor children as per 1 Corinthians 7:14.

    Satan challenges ALL of us at Job 2:4-5 that under adverse conditions ' touch our 'flesh' (loose health) and we would Not serve God. Only the passing of time could answer such a challenge.
     
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    If God is good and all-knowing, he would know whether we will repent and destroy the non-repenters. There could be no reason not to.
     
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    Fair enough, but the logic still applies. An all-knowing all-powerful God could and must surely prevent anyone from being born if he deems it necessary.
     
  19. URAVIP2ME

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    Because God gave us free-will choices shows that God is Not all-knowing. God chooses Not to know our choices in advance but God does teach us if we do Not want to perish with the wicked as per Psalms 92:7 then we should ' repent '.
    We choose whether we want to be a figurative haughty 'goat'-type person, or a humble 'sheep'-type person as found in the illustration at Matthew 25:31-33,37.
     
  20. URAVIP2ME

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    I find there is No reason for God to deem or prevent anyone from being born.
    Besides Creator, God is our Father. The word ' father ' means: life giver.
    So, God is Not our life taker, but our Life Giver.
    The wicked abuse the gift of life often bringing harm in some way to another's life.

    Hebrews 6:18; Titus 1:2 shows God is Not all-powerful because God can Not lie. So there are things God can Not do.
     
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