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The Conquering Lion of Judah

Discussion in 'Christianity DIR' started by CanuckRasta, Mar 24, 2005.

  1. CanuckRasta

    CanuckRasta Member

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    "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." - Revelation 5:5 (KJV)

    So, how will Christ be recognized when he returns?? What does the above passage mean, refer to etc. etc.

    I really don't want to get into a battle over this one, there is no point because we will never agree (That would be a first, a Christian saying Rastas have it right). Would appreciate feedback.

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  2. No*s

    No*s Captain Obvious

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    I believe He will be recognized because the whole universe will be reordered. Anything less, and it isn't Christ :).
     
  3. CanuckRasta

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    Seen, idren.

    I would appreciate some more specifics, though. This scripture has been shown to Christians on Rasta forums, with the same general response to it.

    I need a definitive answer.

    Let me try this way. What is a definite clue that someone is not the CoJ??

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  4. benjamin

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    I don't have an specific answer, ans this comment of mine is not what you're lloking for anyways.

    The other day I had a discussion in another forum with a "Christian", mis-interpreting the Bible, telling em that THEIR Bible regards the Jews as the Antichrist. Also that Jesus was not a Jew and that in THEIR Bible the words "father forgive them for they do not know what they're doing", was added later by the Jews.

    My common sense tells me that this guys are nor portraying the real CHrist.

    Sorry about your original question, I'm not very well informed on that one.

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  5. may

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    Yes, there is someone able to open the scroll! John relates: "But one of the elders says to me: ‘Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.’" (Revelation 5:5)

    Ah, "the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah"! John is familiar with the prophecy that Jacob, ancestor of the Jewish race, pronounced concerning his fourth son, Judah: "A lion cub Judah is. From the prey, my son, you will certainly go up. He bowed down, he stretched himself out like a lion and, like a lion, who dares rouse him? The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong." (Genesis 49:9, 10) The royal line of God’s people stemmed from Judah. Starting with David, all the kings who ruled in Jerusalem until the Babylonians destroyed that city were Judah’s descendants. But not one of them was the Shiloh prophesied by Jacob. Shiloh means "He Whose
    It Is." Prophetically, this name pointed to Jesus, the one to whom the Davidic Kingdom now permanently belongs.—Ezekiel 21:25-27; Luke 1:32, 33; Revelation 19:16.​


    John quickly recognizes the reference to "the root of David." The promised Messiah is prophetically called both "a twig out of the stump of Jesse [father of King David] . . . a sprout" and "the root of Jesse that will be standing up as a signal for the peoples." (Isaiah 11:1, 10) Jesus was a twig of Jesse, being born into the royal line of David, son of Jesse. Further, as a root of Jesse, he was the One that caused the Davidic dynasty to sprout again, giving it life and sustenance forever.—2 Samuel 7:16.​

    Jesus preeminently is the one who, as a perfect human, served Jehovah in integrity and under excruciating trials. He supplied the complete answer to Satan’s challenge. (Proverbs 27:11) Thus, he could say as he did on the night before his sacrificial death, "I have conquered the world." (John 16:33) For this reason, Jehovah entrusted the resurrected Jesus with "all authority . . . in heaven and on the earth." He alone of all servants of God is qualified to receive the scroll, with a view to making known its momentous message.—Matthew 28:18.​

    It is appropriate, indeed, that Jesus should open the scroll. Since 1914 he has been enthroned as King of God’s Messianic Kingdom, and that scroll reveals so much concerning the Kingdom and what it will accomplish. Jesus faithfully bore witness to Kingdom truth while he was here on earth. (John 18:36, 37) He taught his followers to pray for the coming of the Kingdom. (Matthew 6:9, 10) He initiated the preaching of the good news of the Kingdom at the beginning of the Christian era and prophesied the culmination of that preaching work during the time of the end. (Matthew 4:23; Mark 13:10) It is likewise appropriate that one of the 24 elders should reveal to John that Jesus is the one to open the seals. Why? Because these elders sit on thrones and wear crowns, being joint heirs with Christ in his Kingdom.—Romans 8:17; Revelation 4:4.

     
  6. CanuckRasta

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    Good answer, May!

    Another question: Could someone link and summarize Rev. 5:5 and Rev. 19:16. What do you get??

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    P.S. Who does Isaiah 9:6 refer to??
     
  7. may

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    Revelation 19;16 is the same one as rev 5;5 this is jesus christ. he is the exalted one of whom john says.
    And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.(He has proved to be far far mightier than any earthly ruler ,any human king or lord. he has ridden in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness and has triumphed for all time .this name is bestowed on him by the sovereign Lord Jehovah whose vindicater he is)

    and again isaiah 9; 6 is talking about jesus
    For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

     
  8. CanuckRasta

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    May, Isa. 9:6 does not refer to Jesus. See Matthew 34:10...or is that 10:34 *winks*

    Anyways actually i went back on my word. After I see your reply I will continue in my Rastafari thread.

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  9. may

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    Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. (matt 10;34)Jesus was just making the point that to be a follower of him it would course divisions , even amongst our own family members ,this was not because jesus teaching were bad it was because the world in general would not regonize his kingship . that kingship has already been established in the heavens in 1914 and the world in general do not regonize that kingship

    And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.(matt 24;14)

     
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