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Featured The Conflicting Theologies of the New Testament

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by The Reverend Bob, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. atanu

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    Will you explain that 'Intellectual barbarism'?
     
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    Not using reason and discernment and just adhering to whatever sounds good to you.
     
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    Do you mean that my observation of scripture being layered presentation for suiting different levels of intellects, is an exercise in intellectual barbarism?
     
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    You would first need to prove your claim to be true that there are contradictory theologies in the Bible.
    You take your premise for granted that they exist but you haven't earned the right to do that yet. You must first objectively prove the existence of conflicting theologies in the Bible.

    Your claim is based a logically flawed premise.
    Your premise is that you believe the existence of different beliefs about what the New Testament says represents proof that the whole NT can't be conveying a consistent message.
    However, the reality is that there exists other reasons for why people can believe differing things about the same text. In my experience I would say the most common reason appears to be simple ignorance. Sometimes it's even willful ignorance because they desire to purposely twist the meaning of scripture to support what they want to believe so they choose to flat out ignore the parts of the NT that outright disprove their belief. Other times it's innocent ignorance when the individual seeks the consistent truth contained in the NT but lacks complete knowledge to properly form consistent conclusions from it. People take verses out of context and draw conclusions from them which are not consistent with the whole of the NT. That is not the fault of the text but is a user error. By modifying their conclusions to account for all the information contained in the NT they can arrive at a logically consistent interpretation that holds up to being challenged.

    In order for you to objectively prove that such differing beliefs are not simply the result of user error, but the result of a flawed text, you must first logically demonstrate the existence of theological contradictions in the NT that cannot be logically resolved in a way that is consistent with the whole NT text.
     
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    Well let's start with the kernel. Please explain what you think Jesus is talking about.
     
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    What are some contradictions you notice in the Bible?
     
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    He knew the O.T. Scriptures better than anyone, I'd say. And his teaching is recorded in the New.
     
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    More rubbish huh?
     
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    Your right there could have been a man named Jesus who existed and then started a cult who was later crucified by the Romans. But that doesn't make his religion to be true ether.
     
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    I do need to say, though, that his theology was sound. The love he spoke of, his parables, etc.
    I can't find fault with his teachings.
     
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    Aaaand...

    You have a problem with this?
     
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    Because, like the Bible, Christianity is multivalent.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Actually, it especially applies to biblical criticism.
     
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    Scripture cannot be its own proof.
     
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    Inspiration =/= infallibility.
     
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    How does it follow that inspiration cannot produce contradiction?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    The Bible isn’t God, and God didn’t dictate the texts. There’s a YUGE difference between dictation and inspiration.
     
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    There you go, taking things out of context and interpreting without exegesis. Such a waste of bandwidth.
     
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    This assertion simply isn’t cogent.
     
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    Scripture doesn’t interpret itself. That’s just not How It Works.
     
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