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The concept of superstition

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Faithofchristian

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A near death experience do
Unveiled Artist said:
A quick story. At the time (and now) I did not think of god. In 2013, my grandmother passed away. I didn't have a chance to see her even though I had a gut feeling (some say god?) warned me something was wrong. She died of cancer. It took me a year of grief and another year or so angry.

My aunt died January 6th 2018. She is and was my best friend. I only mourned severely half a year. Still in grief but now I can talk about it.

Lastly (but many experiences in between), I had to replace my "pacemaker-like" battery. So, they knocked me out to perform surgery last year. They asked: "do I want partial awareness or full black out" I said blackout. The weird thing is, I was not aware at all. If someone were to cremate me, I would have never known it. Then I asked, how does my heart stopping, brain deteriorating, as well as my body all of the sudden make an afterlife compared to when everything was functioning but I was still not aware?

In other words, how does the condition of my body affect whether there is an afterlife or not?

I had a revelation. When you are partially aware, you're still alive. When you are deteriorating, brain and all, you are not. The "soul" should exist in both cases. It does not. NDE are altered consciousness not life after death experiences.

So, after all this if you read it please, I figure, there is no afterlife. I would be fooling myself it there were. Acceptance is better. It's the end of grief and whatever I leave behind is my afterlife. God not included.



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I don't know why some of us say there is no life after death. For me, it has nothing to do with belief in god. Buddhist believe in rebirth of the self until the self is completely gone. Hindu believe in god and reincarnation and such. So, there is always a sense of an afterlife whether it's a black and white/here then there or a continuum of being until one meets union.

It's basically awareness, revelation, and experiences. Kind of like a "now I know" a acceptance that there is nothing not knowledge there isn't. In other words, knowledge isn't important. We accept. We have insight. We don't define the Self whose experiencing these things.

I only came upon needing-to-know among christians. Most everyone else really don't care insomuch to talk about it outside their own selves and/or peers.

My question: Why is it important for you (in general) to know?
Why is proof important for you?



Belief in god, for example, isn't about proof. In Christianity, specifically, it's about faith. You have faith in something exists without proof that it does by sight.

It's the same thing. We don't have knowledge. We have faith/trust based on our direct experiences whether spiritual or not. In other words, the question is irrelevant.

But to answer your question, we don't know; we don't have proof.

Why consider it as true when there is nothing to give us any reason to ask the question?

It was interesting after my experiences above.

The soul is said to be our identity or sense of self. When you have different mental illnesses sometimes that dilutes your sense of self. If it were separate, one would notice their mental health experiences apart from them. In other words, if the soul was separate it would be aware of the mental health experiences. It isn't. Our identities are based on a lot of things including our religions and environment. I posted a movie on how our brain creates our realities. If you want, I can post it?

Another thing I realized is the spirit is another word for energy. Think about it. When the holy spirit communicates, how do you feel? What is that euphoria you have (whatever you call it) that's beyond mind and body. It's energy. We can't touch it but we can sense it. Hindus and Buddhist have been "playing" with energy for thousands of years.

I wish I was a scientist but the gist is everything runs off of energy. You can sense it most when you pray or meditate and do activities that put you in a state of awareness. Hard to explain. If you experienced prayer, that's what it is.

Without identity, our mind, there is no life (we are in a coma). Without spirit or energy, our body and brain is dead. Nothing keeps it alive.

It's alright to have religion and ways to believe one believes there is life after death. Personally, I feel it's a grieving stage. Everyone goes through it differently.

Yes and no. A lot of atheists I speak with don't believe in the soul and spirit; I do. I do believe we have a core identity. I do believe that when we get in touch with our spirit energy (breathe of life) we are aware and one with ourselves.

I disagree that it's all scientific. I just attribute it to a different source/nature than a christian does.



What do you mean?

What proof do I have that there is something beyond the scientific world?

That's an odd question. Do you have proof that there is something beyond the scientific world?

Once you clarify than I can probably answer.



Actually, I never heard of a scientific anything until I came on RF. I didn't realize that atheism was such a "thing" until I came here. I just thought, it is what it is, I'm hungry.

How do you get a hold of the scientific world?
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First I did not say the scientific world believed in the soul or spirit.

What I said had you read what i said.
Is that the scientific world has no evidence what lays exactly over in the Unknown.

For there has never been anyone to die and come back alive after being dead for a Week a month or a Year.

Is that there no evidence of anyone being dead for a week, a month or a year .To come back and explained what lays over in the Unknown.

A near death experience does count as being dead 3 or 4 days or a week or a Month or year.

A person who lays unconsciousness can say that is a near death experience, All because they do not no what happening around them.

But can a near death be counted as a person being dead for 3 to 4 days or a Week or a Month or a year, hardly

A near death experience is only being
unconsciousness, which is not death in it's self.
So you weren't considered legally dead for
3 to 4 days or a week a month or a year.

Even a person who's at sleep is only in a state of unconsciousness, Of not being aware what is going on around them.
But that does not constitute as being dead for 3 to 4 days or a week a month or a year.

Show evidence that a person being dead for 3 to 4 days a Week, a Month a year.
And then come back alive.

Were you considered dead for 3 to 4 days or a week a month or a year.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Remté said:
In Islam all superstitions are strictly forbitten.

But it is very difficult for the human mind to be absolutely devoid of superstitions.

Looked from the point of view of an atheist, even atheist who swears there is no God has superstitions on some level.

Can one draw a clear line between faith in God and superstition?

Does your religion condemn superstitions? Feel free to quote scriptures.
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True we all are taught or acquire some superstitions usually from our own imaginations or taught to us by otyers.

To me the human mind is finite and imperfect and so can fall into superstitions and vain imaginings anytime and cannot by itself distinguish truth from falsehood. In order to do so it must be exposed to a Perfect faultless Mind. (I.e.Prophet of God)

Faith in God to me is to accept all God’s Manifestations including the latest One, Baha’u’llah and try and obey His laws. Anything that is directly opposed to what the Manifestations of God teach is I believe suoerstition and not based on truth.

People for the most part delight in superstitions. They regard a single drop of the sea of delusion as preferable to an ocean of certitude. By holding fast unto names they deprive themselves of the inner reality and by clinging to vain imaginings they are kept back from the Dayspring of heavenly signs. (Baha’u’llah)
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
paarsurrey said:
"Looked from the point of view of an atheist, even atheist who swears there is no God has superstitions on some level."

Isn't "there is no God" also a superstition, please?

Regards
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Nope. Calling something a 'superstition' is not so much about it's truth (although it's generally applied to incredulous beliefs) but about a supernatural agent having impact.

Atheism doesn't have that supernatural component, and therefore isn't a superstition. Even if it's wrong.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
lewisnotmiller said:
Nope. Calling something a 'superstition' is not so much about it's truth (although it's generally applied to incredulous beliefs) but about a supernatural agent having impact.
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Sorry, I don’t agree with one.

Nothing of the nature could come into being, exist or subsist of itself, so it is a supernatural thought that it has come to exist of itself. The Atheism people support this idea. Right, please?

In this meaning, isn't the Atheism people and their position/no-position, unnatural as also unreasonable and superstitious and thus needs improvement, please?

Of course one may disagree with me with or without reason, please.

Regards
 
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