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The Coming Hell: Economic Inequality, Resource Depletion, and Climate Change

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I suspect growing economic inequality, resource depletion, and climate change are most likely to create a rather hellish world. A world that seems likely to be sharply divided between the rich and poor, between the powerful and the weak; and in which anything resembling democracy or representational government is no more than a memory. Of course, anything could happen, but I'd give odds the world is going to become more authoritarian, more stratified, not less.

But what do you think? What do you think the political and social future will most likely look like?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I hesitate to speculate.

I think that realistically, if we expect to reverse the master issues of climate change, overpopulation, and ecosystem degradation, it can only be done by a strong hand if it is to be done in time. Otherwise, humans will be left adapting to the issues they have created for themselves. Things will crash, and better things - better in terms of being properly adapted for the conditions - will take its place. I don't think the political and social future of the human species will much different it is today: different cultures and peoples will come up with different ways to address the issues in their corner of this beautiful globe. People will still do the same things people have always done.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Good post, Phil....I think of the three issues you list...economic inequality is the one I am most concerned about. If you don't mind, I will add a 4th... "Lack of Leadership and Vision"....because I believe if we had this...#2 and 3 that you list could be solved. These are essentially problems in science and engineering that are solvable...but we need the elements that I described. Thanks for bringing these issues forward.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
economic inequality - Will be solved by policy or will be solved by gillotine. This is a reoccuring issue.

resource depletion - If not planned for will a new dark age. After which we will do something different.

climate change - That's the real elephant in the room. This is something that could end life on earth. -3C and north America is under 2 miles of ice. +3C and what? No one knows. Could be bad, could be runaway greenhouse.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Your bleak future doesn't sound different from the present.

Oh yes, it does. For most of living memory those things were waning. Now they are increasing, mightily. There used to be huge stratification, that started decreasing a couple of centuries ago. We found more and more resources, making them more abundant. There waqs always more unruined territory making environmental destruction unimportant.

All of that is gone permanently. And the moral/ethical codes we use are not up to the task of redirecting the human race away from the impending disaster.
It is a new world, but the same old humans and morals.

Tom
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Oh yes, it does. For most of living memory those things were waning. Now they are increasing, mightily. There used to be huge stratification, that started decreasing a couple of centuries ago. We found more and more resources, making them more abundant. There waqs always more unruined territory making environmental destruction unimportant.

Supporting that requires cherry picking.

In the US, for example, we see extreme stratification at the beginning of the 20th century, waning (sometimes in leaps and starts with things like progressive taxation or organized labor) through until (IIRC) about the 1980s and then waxing again (with large changes in the early 21st century).

OTOH: If I move over and look at the UAE, I see an entirely different pattern of wax and wain.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
I see a future where the major trends are all in the wrong direction; human population, resource depletion, biosphere degradation etc. And when the going gets tough, humans get nasty. We are a violent species, clever but too selfish and stupid. Too many people who have had an education still seem to opt out of rational critical thinking and defer to authority figures, whether real or imagined.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
I feel America now has a chance of coming out of the economic malaise. Already, many Americans are using the opportunity to leverage 401k's to build a comfortable retirement, and as long as these portfolios are protected from looting by corrupt obese government (of which America now to be trending away from) these plans will become common place for the huge majority.

As the West, India (and eventually China after the people overthrow the dinosaur communist government) moves away from the failed systems of socialism and towards a more free society, we will see Europe, America, some parts of Latin America, Israel, Japan and India as well, stand to align together into a new, free market capitalist system and a new international based government that, in time, China will also be a part of, it will be modeled by 2055 much like the US system of States in a Republic where regions have a high level of autonomy, a Congress of Nations, and Four continental Presidents (one for North America and Europe, one for greater India, one for Asia, and one for former Spanish colonies) who work in a cabinet.

The continued expansion and popularity of American style Libertarianism will be the deathnail of socialism.

However, while communism in China will soon see it's last days, before the Chinese people themselves rid themself of it, the regime will in short term become expansionists to try and "rally around the flag" the dead ender communist loyalty, this will cause Japan to rearm. China will backdown because their now weakening economy will not have the will nor money to face a resurgent Japan which will once again rise despite current economy of Japan.

The phony scheme by obese socialist government to grab more centralist power under the guise of "climate change" is already becoming exposed and rejected and will become a laughable agenda within the next 10 years as more and more realize climate change is normal cycles and the best solution to discover remediation for any real climate issues is free market capitalism.

The real threat ito further world prosperity, and the continuation of ever increasing economic equity thanks to free markets, freedom of individualism and Republican systems, is the threat of throwback 12 Century Islamic terrorist types, and to a lesser extent socialists who are already becoming largely obscure and outdated but as they descend into total meaningless they will continue their trend to align with the 12 Century throwbacks and could be delusional enough to also engage in the cult of death.

But the Islamic Extremists and the socialists are so outnumbered, they have zero chance of achieving their utopian delusions and, in the end, will be totally crushed. But long before that, the current regime in Iran will be replaced by the Iranian peoples themselves with a moderate, capitalist oriented Republic though still proud of Shia Islam and will become a major economic success as a result.

Science will breath the fresh air of freedom, and humanity will began its journey into space.

The greatest threat to humanity, however, is disease. The greatest force to managing this threat is once again freedom of science and capitalism.

The future seems to now be taking a turn towards a better future, equity for broad numbers by way of economic prosperity, but the Islamic extremists will have to be dealt with, it will be a long, ambigous war that is unavoidable and totally disjointed from concepts of European war.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The phony scheme by obese socialist government to grab more centralist power under the guise of "climate change" is already becoming exposed and rejected and will become a laughable agenda within the next 10 years as more and more realize climate change is normal cycles and the best solution to discover remediation for any real climate issues is free market capitalism...

Science will breath the fresh air of freedom, and humanity will began it's journey into space.



One really cannot both praise and ignore science all at the same time, which is what we see above.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The greatest threat to science is Islamic extremism and pathetic, unaccountable, palor dimwits of socialism. Nancy Pelosi never invented anything.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
The greatest threat to science is Islamic extremism and pathetic, unaccountable, palor dimwits of socialism. Nancy Pelosi never invented anything.
So the Muslims, who not only invented little things like Algebra, but were much of who kept science alive during the Dark Ages.

Socialists (which I don't think you know what that is); shall I really start listing their acheivements? I suppose you might want to define it.

and Democrats (I wonder which way the scientific community mostly votes. Would be interesting to see).

Your post seems like unconsidered bigoted rhetoric.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There are "dimwits of socialism" much like there are "dimwits of capitalism", and what exactly did Boehner "invent"? Unbridled capitalism has shown itself to be a failure, which is why no country in the world today has it. Every country today uses a "mixed economy" of varying sorts, which makes sense in that each can tailor their economic system to the conditions and their own values that they have. IOW, a "one size fits all" approach to economics makes not one iota of sense.
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
All of You are dead wrong. In the future I will be the antichrist, and I will fulfill prophecies fortold in every religious text for the sake of fulfilling them and leaving them as part of our legacy instead of them being seen as a myth.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
All of You are dead wrong. In the future I will be the antichrist, and I will fulfill prophecies fortold in every religious text for the sake of fulfilling them and leaving them as part of our legacy instead of them being seen as a myth.
Sorry but I already beat you to it. About 15 years ago, a fellow worker who was a right-wing militia-type called me an "anti-Christ" because I'm Jewish. He did the same exact thing to two other Jewish staff members as well, and, needless to say, his contract was not renewed.
 
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