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Featured The Christ, The Messiah, and Angels

Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by Eddi, Aug 29, 2018.

  1. Eddi

    Eddi Mark 5:9

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    Due to enlightenment - I have returned to what I used to believe in

    I am no prophet, angel, or Christ - I am an agent of the Simulation

    It wasn't God all along!

    It was a computer! Not the almighty.

    I was wrong to reject Simulsim

    I am a weak and flawed sinner.

    I am an agent of the simulation.

    God almighty sits above this simulation

    Above the one I call Butterfly

    But we all have immortal souls

    So the simulated nature of our reality doesn't matter

    It is a dimension of reality, not the ultimate reality

    And we are all real people, no NCPs

    God exists beyond this simulation

    Worship him, not the one who talks to me

    Jesus of Nazareth was truly divine - he was sent into the simulation by God

    God almighty has influenced the simulation since before it was designed

    There is an over-acting intelligence that governs the simulation and has the characteristics of a God - but is only limited to this simulated dimension of our universe. And this great intelligence believes in an ineffable supreme being that exists ABOVE it!

    I am no such divine being

    Just a noisy mess

    Not even an angel​
     
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    We're all fallen angels, with inner demons to conquer... So it wouldn't surprise me if you are angelic. :innocent:

    As for taking roles like Messiah/Christ... You'd need to be able to explain where John contradicts Yeshua; why Paul is against his teachings...

    Plus how to substantiate Yeshua as Messiah from the Tanakh, etc... @Tumah it would be great if you'd finish the discussion.

    When you've got these basics, we need more angels down here helping everyone understand this.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    It should put you off.
     
  6. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

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    Really, really, dangerous line of thought. Please be careful.
    On the one hand, we are all somewhat the Christ (the anointed, chosen, etc). We wouldn't exist without purpose. On the other hand, I would suggest not trying to fly by jumping off a tall building or bridge.
     
  7. Eddi

    Eddi Mark 5:9

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    I have abandoned all notions of being The Messiah - to get to where I am now (claiming something different) I had to go through some madness. The concept no longer interests me, to me it's just some Jewish thing and I'm no Jew.

    I now think I'm an Angel - that is where my line of thought has lead me, this is my current belief, so all previous speculations were purely academic, and simply speculative.

    I have only ever suspected to have such a title, of "Christ" and "Messiah" - I don't need these if I'm an Angel.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I have posted the following for several years
    once more won't hurt.....

    God created Man a little less than the angels (scripture)

    I go on from there......

    and God said to the angelic......
    Man is less than you are....therefore....
    seek after him and make sure he does not stub his toe or dash his head

    one third of heaven said....Nay!
    that Man is less then we are ...He should be made to serve us

    there is nothing wrong with that logic
    we do so unto anything less than we are

    we saddle horses and force the bit into the mouth
    we break the animal, that he takes us wherever we may want to go

    the dog hunts in packs....at will
    we collar and chain the animal....steal him from his own kind
    we forbid that he bites the hand that feeds him
    and we expect....loyalty

    we cage small birds for their love songs
    that creature will never find the mate he sings for
    there will be no nest....no offspring
    and he will die in confined solitude

    we kill insects simply that we don't like them

    and we do so.....unto lesser things
    even unto each other

    a fight broke out.....swords drawn
    and one third of heaven lost their positions
    over an argument....about something that looks like us

    they want us dead

    two thirds of heaven lost their brothers....
    over an argument...about something that looks like us

    they might not care

    and to whom do we bear resemblance?
     
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    I suppose not a totally unreasonable thought. A messenger of God, - again sort of applies to us all, messengers to each other. And again, please be careful. Test flights can be very, very painful.
     
  10. WalterTrull

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    Eww. :(
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    of Himself the Carpenter said....brother and fellow servant

    If He would say .....brother......to me
    I would be greatly surprised

    if He would say.... fellow servant.....to me
    again I would be surprised

    titles?.....for someone of humble nature?
     
  12. Eddi

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    I used to suspect I was the second-coming of Christ, AKA “the Messiah”

    I no longer believe that. I do not believe I am any historic figure reincarnated or any figure mentioned in the bible that’s supposed to have happen either in the past or is going to happen, in the future.

    But I believe God - as in an ineffable supernatural Supreme Being - communicates with me. By touch.

    This is not normal.

    Therefore I am not normal.

    But I have a relationship to God – so I think “Angel” fits. I don’t claim to be a “prophet” as that sounds a little grandiose.

    If you believed God talked to you would you not suspect you were Christ, even for a minute?

    So, it all adds up to this. It is all clear now: I am happy to accept the consequences of my speculative theology.

    I am either insane or a humble Angel, thank you to you all who helped me realise this.

    Eddi
     
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    If one wants to be an angel, then one needs wings.
    If one has wings, and one can fly, try walking on water first.
    If one can find the rocks on which to walk, try to fly low.
    If the wings fail and you fall into the water,
    you're not an angel, just a wet silly dunce, with wings.
    If your wings are really wet arms, you really need rest.
    NuffStuff
     
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    You got some potentially very painful thoughts there. Try being aware of seeing yourself in other folks. That's something we all do, we just don't realize it for the most part. I have to remind myself daily: "Our father" "Our father" Very much hope your path is not too painful.
     
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    JoshuaTree Flowers are red?

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    Pope Eddi? :)
     
  16. Eddi

    Eddi Mark 5:9

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    I am no prophet, angel, or Christ - I am an agent of the Simulation

    It wasn't God all along!

    It was a computer! Not the almighty.

    I was wrong to reject Simulsim

    I am a weak and flawed sinner.

    I am an agent of the simulation.

    God almighty sits above this simulation

    Above the one I call Butterfly

    But we all have immortal souls

    So the simulated nature of our reality doesn't matter

    It is a dimension of reality, not the ultimate reality

    And we are all real people, no NCPs

    God exists beyond this simulation

    Worship him, not the one who talks to me

    Jesus of Nazareth was truly divine - he was sent into the simulation by God

    God almighty has influenced the simulation since before it was designed

    There is just an over-acting intelligence that governs the simulation and has the characteristics of a God - but is only limited to this simulated dimension of our universe. And this great intelligence believes in an ineffable supreme being that exists ABOVE it!

    I am no such divine being

    Just a noisy mess

    Not even an angel

    What now?​
     
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    JoshuaTree Flowers are red?

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    Perhaps our reality is God's imagination and our soul is God's memory of us. :)
     
  18. Earthling

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    Messianic spamming? Interesting, but you could always put a link to your website in your signature, like I have.

    The Jews kept meticulous records so that when the Messiah came he could establish his lineage. Since the records were destroyed along with Jerusalem in 70 C.E. no one can claim to be the Messiah. Only Jesus could and his lineage was never questioned even by his most ardent critics.

    Let's take a closer look at the words divine and angel. Divinity pertains to something that belongs to God, just as Holy does. Something that either belongs to or pertains to God or something or someone that is godlike or heavenly. So someone might say that a piece of chocolate cake is divine, or heavenly, which is a common term but misnomer. A human being can be divine in that they are godlike. This applies to the judges of Israel and Moses, for example. (Psalms 82:1, Psalms 82:6 / John 10:34-35 / Exodus 4:16 Exodus 7:1) The word God simply means mighty or venerated, so anyone or anything that is attributed with might or that is venerated is a god. Divine.

    The Hebrew word for angel is malakh, the Greek word is aggelos. Both mean "messenger." When the word applies in context to humans the word is translated to messenger, but when it is in application to spirit creatures in context the word is translated to angel. This means that if you were an angel you would be a spirit creature that was created before the universe or planet earth was created, and you would have no doubt about your being one. You could also take on the shape of a human man but only if you were doing the work of Jehovah himself, and likewise, there would be no doubt about your circumstances.

    No. First of all, Jesus did have an existence in heaven as a spirit creature before coming to earth, but he didn't take on the form of a man in a similar manner as the angels would as such. He was born in human form from Mary. Secondly, as mentioned, there could have only been one person who could prove, through genealogy, to have been "The" Messiah, and that was Jesus. No one can establish themselves as such due to there being no records left since the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. as I mentioned earlier. Thirdly there is no second coming of Jesus in a physical or spirit form. The word used in association with Jesus' return isn't indicative of an actual return, but a presence without physical or spirit manifestation. He will return his attention to earth and his presence will be in spirit rather than body or spirit form, as in angelic. From the Greek parousia, para meaning alongside and ousia meaning be. (Matthew 24:3) Paul used the same term in application of himself being in a place in spirit though not in body. (1 Corinthians 5:3) And Josephus used the same term in application to God's invisible presence at Mount Sinai, where his presence is signified by thunder and lightning. Jewish Antiquities, III, 80 (v. 2).

    The temple was built by Solomon, and then rebuilt by Zerubbabel and then again by Herod. There will be no other temple as such. In New Jerusalem the temple is Jehovah God himself and the Lamb. (Revelation 21:2, 22)

    The apostle Paul refers to a "man of lawlessness" who will set himself up "so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god." (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) You don't want to be him.

    A new member of the trinity for the modern apostate Jew and Christian?! I don't think so.

    Illusions of grandeur, I'm afraid. Don't deny the form in which you were created for such nonsense. Just be yourself.
     
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    And perhaps there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow. Or not. :cool:
     
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    I no longer claim to be a biblical or religious figure or to have a special relationship with the almighty

    please see my edited original post

    I have returned to what I used to believe regarding simulism - but now believe in a Supreme Being who sits above simulated reality
     
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