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The book of Genesis "Cain"

sooda

Veteran Member
Please reveal your evidence that the Sumerian city of Ur did not exist in he days of Abraham?

Look at the dates for the Chaldeans. Most likely they made a mistake and the place in question was father north near Haran called Urfa or Ura.

The story didn't exist until after the Babylonian exile so there is no reason for them to get the location of geography right.

The Assyyrian governor who was originally Chaldean revolted and established the Chaldean Empire in Babylonia. This was none other than Nabopolassar, who began his reign in 612 BC. Too late for Abraham and Terah.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The Chaldean Empire (625 - 539 B.C.) The Chaldeans, who inhabited the coastal area near the Persian Gulf, had never been entirely pacified by the Assyrians.

About 630 Nabopolassar became king of the Chaldeans.

In 626 he forced the Assyrians out of Uruk and crowned himself king of Babylonia. He took part in the wars aimed at the destruction of Assyria.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31 above.

The problem is that there are several places called Ur. It is mostly translated as "Ur of the Chaldeans."

The problem with "Chaldeans" is that it is a late word used in the Neo-Babylonian times. It is either anachronistic, or a poor translation.

Josephus and Rabbi Maimonides believed that Ur Kasdim was in Northern Mesopotamia, in what is today Syria or Turkey.

There is no debate over where Haran is located, 10 miles north of the Syrian border in Turkey along the Balikh River, a tributary of the Euphrates River. Haran is an important Hurrian center, mentioned in the Nuzi tablets.

The moon god, Sin was worshiped here.

There are two cities not far from Haran; Ura and Urfa. Local tradition says that Abraham was born in Urfa. Northern Ur is mentioned in tablets at Ugarit, Nuzi, and Ebla, which refers to Ur, URA, and Urau .

The names of several of Abraham's relatives like Peleg, Serug, Nahor and Terah, appear as names of cities in the region of Haran .

Abraham's Ur
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Abram-journeyed-from-Ur-to-Haran-to-Canaan.jpg
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Look at the dates for the Chaldeans. Most likely they made a mistake and the place in question was father north near Haran called Urfa or Ura.

The story didn't exist until after the Babylonian exile so there is no reason for them to get the location of geography right.

The Assyyrian governor who was originally Chaldean revolted and established the Chaldean Empire in Babylonia. This was none other than Nabopolassar, who began his reign in 612 BC. Too late for Abraham and Terah.

sooda wrote........Look at the dates for the Chaldeans. Most likely they made a mistake and the place in question was father north near Haran called Urfa or Ura.

The Anointed...…. Nope! The Chaldean city of Ur was further to the south of Haran in the land which is now 'TURKEY' to which town [Haran] Abraham took his family after his son :'Haran' had died trying to save the idols in the temple of Ur, which Abraham had set fire to.

Sooda wrote...….The story didn't exist until after the Babylonian exile so there is no reason for them to get the location of geography right.

The Anointed...….WRONG! The written scrolls were destroyed when Nebuchadnezzar had the temple of Solomon burned in the sixth century, but the Jews had an oral tradition handed down from generation to generation, from which it is believed their Holy scrolls were rewritten in the 70 years of captivity.

sooda wrote...….The Assyyrian governor who was originally Chaldean revolted and established the Chaldean Empire in Babylonia. This was none other than Nabopolassar, who began his reign in 612 BC. Too late for Abraham and Terah

The Anointed...…. Please revel your 'UNDISPUTED' evidence that Nabopolassar, began his reign in 612 BC.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
sooda wrote........Look at the dates for the Chaldeans. Most likely they made a mistake and the place in question was father north near Haran called Urfa or Ura.

The Anointed...…. Nope! The Chaldean city of Ur was further to the south of Haran in the land which is now 'TURKEY' to which town [Haran] Abraham took his family after his son :'Haran' had died trying to save the idols in the temple of Ur, which Abraham had set fire to.

Sooda wrote...….The story didn't exist until after the Babylonian exile so there is no reason for them to get the location of geography right.

The Anointed...….WRONG! The written scrolls were destroyed when Nebuchadnezzar had the temple of Solomon burned in the sixth century, but the Jews had an oral tradition handed down from generation to generation, from which it is believed their Holy scrolls were rewritten in the 70 years of captivity.

sooda wrote...….The Assyyrian governor who was originally Chaldean revolted and established the Chaldean Empire in Babylonia. This was none other than Nabopolassar, who began his reign in 612 BC. Too late for Abraham and Terah

The Anointed...…. Please revel your 'UNDISPUTED' evidence that Nabopolassar, began his reign in 612 BC.
The Jews had no history or national identity until after the Babylonian exile.

They were a small tribe of landless Canaanite Bedouin.. unaffiliated. They wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy during and after the Babylonian exile and then wrote Genesis and Exodus.

Ur was south of Basra.. but there were no Chaldeans until the 6th century BC. There is Urfa near Haran.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
  • (1792 B.C.) Hammurabi takes power in Babylonia and commences its expansion through Mesopotamia and the surrounding areas.

  • (1595 B.C.) Babylonia was conquered by the Hittites.
  • (1360 B.C.) The peak of the Assyrian Empire.

  • (612 B.C.) Babylonia conquers Nineveh, capital of the Assyrian Empire. The empire denominated the Chaldean Empire begins.

  • (538 B.C.) Persia with Cyrus II the Great at its head conquers Babylon and puts an end to the Chaldean Empire.
Ancient Mesopotamia History: Timeline, Facts, Culture and Society
 

The Anointed

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The Jews had no history or national identity until after the Babylonian exile.

They were a small tribe of landless Canaanite Bedouin.. unaffiliated. They wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy during and after the Babylonian exile and then wrote Genesis and Exodus.

Ur was south of Basra.. but there were no Chaldeans until the 6th century BC. There is Urfa near Haran.

What a load of unadulterated, unsubstantiated rubbish. Please reveal where you got the information that a mob of
landless Canaanite Bedouin, wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy during and after the Babylonian exile and then wrote Genesis and Exodus.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
What a load of unadulterated, unsubstantiated rubbish. Please reveal where you got the information that a mob of
landless Canaanite Bedouin, wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy during and after the Babylonian exile and then wrote Genesis and Exodus.

They were impoverished fringe people.. Unaffiliated, lawless and landless Bedouin. They carried their god with them on a litter from place to place.

The Canaanites were prosperous and urban.. they were involved in mining, metallurgy and pottery making.. They paid tribute to Pharaoh because Egypt controlled both Sinai and Canaan.. Both were part of the Egyptian empire.

Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between Bedouin and their villages? The Apiru or Habiru didn't have such an affiliation.

They borrowed myths and laws and poetry from Egypt, Babylon and north coast Canaanites.
 

whirlingmerc

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After Cain departed, Cain went into the land of Nod, on the east of Eden, and Cain's wife gave birth to Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

Seeing Adam and Eve only had 3 sons, Cain,Able and Seth. So where do you suppose Cain's wife came from ?

What was the mark, that God put on Cain, in Genesis Chapter 4

Adam had daughters not mentioned
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Adam had daughters not mentioned

It gets a bit tricky. Cain founded a city named after his firstborn son, Enoch.

Ancient linguistics have shown that the city of Uruk, in Iraq... Uruk meaning Enoch.

(3500 B.C / 2800 B.C.) Uruk ascends, denominating this time as the Uruk Period.

The wheel was invented and around 3300 B.C. cuneiform writing began to be used. It gave rise to History in the region of Ancient Mesopotamia, while the rest of the planet continued in Prehistory. The culture of the Sumerians can already be distinguished, with city-states like Uruk or Ur.

The founder of the city of Babylon is Nimrod Bar-Cush.... son of Cush.. great grandson of Noah.

Very confusing.

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Faithofchristian

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Adam had daughters not mentioned

Where and how do you come by that.

If Adam and Eve had daughters then why are they not mention of in the generation of Adam and Eve.
In Genesis 5.
As there is no where in the whole
chapter 5 of Genesis that Adam and Eve had any daughters.

So who told that Adam and Eve had daughters.
The book of Genesis 5 does not say that.
That Adam and Eve had daughters.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Where and how do you come by that.

If Adam and Eve had daughters then why are they not mention of in the generation of Adam and Eve.
In Genesis 5.
As there is no where in the whole
chapter 5 of Genesis that Adam and Eve had any daughters.

So who told that Adam and Eve had daughters.
The book of Genesis 5 does not say that.
That Adam and Eve had daughters.


Eve was 'the mother of all the living"
but other places in Genesis had mention of the birth of sons and a grown daughter appears suddenly in the story like Dinah daughter of Jacob, the births of each son detailed but there were an unknown number of daughters Dinah being just one
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Eve was 'the mother of all the living"
but other places in Genesis had mention of the birth of sons and a grown daughter appears suddenly in the story like Dinah daughter of Jacob, the births of each son detailed but there were an unknown number of daughters Dinah being just one


Have you any idea why Eve was called the mother of all living ?
Eve is the mother of those who believe in God.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Have you any idea why Eve was called the mother of all living ?
Eve is the mother of those who believe in God.

Yes.
Interestingly, Adam first named her 'Woman'
then after then sinned after being told the day you eat of the fruit you will die God gave them their judgements and indeed dying they would die but were told in difficulty Eve would give birth and with difficulty Adam would raise agriculture

bur living with difficulty is not immediately ending or an immediate death although indeed pain and suffering entered the world
so... with that note of mercy the Bible then says the woman would be called 'Eve because
she would be the mother of all the living'

it has a glimmer of hope behind the name
 
After Cain departed, Cain went into the land of Nod, on the east of Eden, and Cain's wife gave birth to Enoch.
Genesis 4:16-17

Seeing Adam and Eve only had 3 sons, Cain,Able and Seth. So where do you suppose Cain's wife came from ?

What was the mark, that God put on Cain, in Genesis Chapter 4

Probably guilt for killing his brother.

But White Christian racist used the mark of Cain as the reason why People Native to Africa have black skin and then used that reason to enforce their racist behavior.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Yes.
Interestingly, Adam first named her 'Woman'
then after then sinned after being told the day you eat of the fruit you will die God gave them their judgements and indeed dying they would die but were told in difficulty Eve would give birth and with difficulty Adam would raise agriculture

bur living with difficulty is not immediately ending or an immediate death although indeed pain and suffering entered the world
so... with that note of mercy the Bible then says the woman would be called 'Eve because
she would be the mother of all the living'

it has a glimmer of hope behind the name

Eve being the mother of all living, Are those who believe in God.
The opposite of living is Dead.

So who do you suppose the dead represents ?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Probably guilt for killing his brother.

But White Christian racist used the mark of Cain as the reason why People Native to Africa have black skin and then used that reason to enforce their racist behavior.

Have you any idea, that there are two groups of Christians in the world.

So Who's, who ?

Further more the mark of Cain has nothing to do with a person skin color.

Those other Christians only follow what their Pastors, People tells them.

In the book of Genesis God foretold what the Mark of Cain is.

Do you, yourself know what the Mark of Cain is
It's given in the book of Genesis what the Mark of Cain is.
 
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