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Featured The biogeographic evidence for evolution

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. SkepticThinker

    SkepticThinker Well-Known Member

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    Me too, given that circles don't have corners. At least, none of the circles I've ever seen.
    I bet that's just when the metaphorical part kicks in. ;)

    It is interesting.
     
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  2. dad

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    It is usually associated with 'white trash' and hillbilies, and the USA far as I have experienced. Not sure why I see nothing wrong with living in trailers if we like.

    Let's be honest.


    That depends if it is an identifiable people or race.



    Not sure those who find the Truth are being 'served' by it. But, hey, not like you'd know.


    Me and God disagree.
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    None of which are races.

    Neither do I.

    Yes, let's...
    The honest fact is that "race" is not determined by your whereabouts, living conditions, nationality, legal status, sexual orientation, IQ level, musical taste, level of education, profession, dialect,....

    Need I go on?


    uhu, my point exactly :rolleyes:
     
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  4. Astrophile

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    First, can you provide more information about the prevailing wisdom being that the Earth was flat when Oxford was founded; I can't find anything about this in 'Flat Earth' by Christine Garwood, or by googling 'flat earth Oxford'. You don't say whether you mean the city of Oxford or the University, but it doesn't make much difference; Oxford was founded during the Saxon period (ca. 900 AD), and the University dates from the end of the 11th century,

    Second, who warned Columbus against attempting to circumnavigate the globe, and did they actually say that the Earth was flat? I understood that Columbus under-estimated the size of the Earth and consequently the distance from western Europe to China; better informed people told him, correctly, that the distance was too great for ships of that time to complete the journey before running out of food and water, not that the Earth was flat and that Columbus's ships would fall over the edge.
     
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    Looking at google results it does seem that white is the color of the trash there.

    trailer trash - Google Search
     
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    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs
     
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    BilliardsBall Well-Known Member

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    I read your post, it is debatable, since later, in Galileo's time, we had the same situation, churchmen leading academia, and promoting myths. Yes, Greek knowledge proliferated, and yes, there were controversial subjects, and no, you presented modern theory that in Columbus's day X was taught and known without that scholar showing any contemporaneous statements of same--or did I miss something?

    Isaiah says the Earth is a sphere, and Job says the Earth is suspended in nothing (a vacuum), both extraordinary, prescient statements IMHO. The Hebrew for sphere is the same as "toy children play with" and children then and now played with round objects, not frisbee-like "circles".
     
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    See my response elsewhere on this thread on these matters, please. I'm open to further discussion.
     
  9. SkepticThinker

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    Do you have some evidence backing up YOUR claims on this?

    The idea that Columbus thought the earth was flat was perpetuated by 18th century writers, not by an actual facts.
    Several books published between 1200-1500, including one called "The Sphere" were required reading in universities. So educated people did not generally believe the earth to be flat.
    Also, I ask again, do you seriously think that an experienced sailor would actually think the earth was flat?

    Isaiah says the earth is a circle.
    The earth is not suspended in any way.
    Chronicles, Isaiah and Psalms say that the earth is fixed and/or immovable. Neither of which is accurate either.

    Sorry, but that's not very impressive, nor is it "prescient" stuff.
     
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    I think the Bible states that god made the individual animals and paraded them one by one before Adam so he could name them......
     
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    Generally, the term trailer trash is applied to an identifiable race. There is another similar term that is sometimes used interchangeably. 'white trash'.
     
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    Except it was not about race, it was about locality.
     
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    I disagree. Same thing with the term white trash that is sometimes used interchangeably.
     
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    Circle... sphere... whatever... The spinning the literalist must engage in must hurt their brains...
     
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    ... and choose from among them for his "helpmeet"...
     
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    There are experienced sailors who today claim the Earth is flat, and...?

    I already wrote how the Hebrew circle is a sphere, the same Hebrew for a child's play toy, you know, a BALL.

    I didn't say Psalms, I said Job, who said the Earth "hangs upon nothing", that is, the pagan said it was held by Atlas or suspended on the backs of giant elephants where Job said "a nothing", which is far more accurate, apart, of course, from gravity/space.
     
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    BilliardsBall, which translation are you using that say Earth is a “sphere”?

    Because in most translations that I have come across, say “circle”, not “sphere”.

    King James Version
    New Revised Standard Version
    New American Standard Bible
    Here is a more recent English translation from Septuagint;

    The New English Translation of the Septuagint
    There is a much older translation of the Septuagint that can be found, written by Sir Lancelot Brenton in 1851:

    Sir Lancelot Brenton

    And here is a translation from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which say the earth is a “disk”, which is basically a cylinder in shape:

    The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible (translated by Martin G. Abegg, Peter Flint & Eugene Urlich, 2002, Harper)
    I think whenever the translations referred to circle, they are talking about cylinder or disk.
     
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    Well, Job 38:13 say that if you take the Earth by its “edges” or “ends”, and shake it, people would fall off the earth:

    There are no “ends” or “edges” to a sphere or the Earth, which is another reference to a flat earth in the shape of disk or cylinder; disk or cylinder do have edge or end.
     
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    No Creationists do not pretend that it doesn't exist, they would say that" Island animals" are immigrants that came from the continental land.
     
  20. tas8831

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    Your logic and evidence plays no part in the JW/evangelical's worldview.
     
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