The biogeographic evidence for evolution

[dad]

Hitler got the idea to prosecute and kill Jews from M. Luther. The father of the reformation. Hardly a Darwinist. Social or not.

Just one of the many instances of the documented criminal history of Christianity in Europe.

Ciao

- viole

Source for Hitler obeying Martin?

 

[tas8831]

Evos have a history of making up errors. They all do.

This from the 'different states past' guy who never presents evidence for ANYTHING!!

 

[tas8831]

Source for Hitler obeying Martin?

Source for claiming laws o f nature were totally arbitrary and different 4 or 5000 years ago?

 

[dad]

This from the 'different states past' guy who never presents evidence for ANYTHING!!

I have evidence that science uses the present as the key to the past. Now unless someone shows us hard evidence it was you are welcome to your beliefs. I do not need evidence for your beliefs only for what is called science, and used in science models.

 

[dad]

Source for claiming laws o f nature were totally arbitrary and different 4 or 5000 years ago?

Bible...now your turn.

 

[BilliardsBall]

"Hitler and Stalin did what they did as Darwinists."

Hitler and Darwin: http://home.uchicago.edu/~rjr6/articles/Was Hitler a Darwinian.pdf and
From Darwin to Hitler Quotes by Richard Weikart

So, as a language expert, surely you understand that I never indicated that you specifically wrote "Darwin=Hitler", and surely you can understand the implication of Darwin=Hitler?

Not that it matters - this sad assertion:

"...Hitler felt led by Darwin and Social Darwinism to kill/murder"

is utter BS dreamed up by right-wing radical Weikart.

But way to go in your attempt to detract from your utter failure to prop up even THAT dopey claim!

Recall, YOU, for reasons that do not shine favorably upon your 'scholarship', tried to support your thesis with a paper that concluded:

"In order to sustain the thesis that Hitler was a Darwinian one would have to ignore all the explicit statements of Hitler rejecting any theory like Darwin’s and draw fanciful implications from vague words, errant phrases, and ambiguous sentences,neglecting altogether more straight -forward, contextual interpretations of such utterances. Only the ideologically blinded would still try to sustain the thesis in the face of the contrary, manifest evidence."​

But no, you keep making your false claims in some lame attempt to prop up your religio-political-social views...

I can restate:

Darwin was an apostate. Hitler was evil. Anyone who denies that Hitler used Darwin/evolution to promote his racial and eugenics concept is ignorant of the facts.

 

[BilliardsBall]

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”--Adolph Hitler, 1936

I get your point, but you likely do not realize Hitler said Jesus was a weak Jew and that his "Christianity" would someday eradicate added tens of millions of Christians!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Hitler got the idea to prosecute and kill Jews from M. Luther. The father of the reformation. Hardly a Darwinist. Social or not.

Just one of the many instances of the documented criminal history of Christianity in Europe.

Ciao

- viole

Have you ever researched Generalplan Ost?

 

[viole]

Have you ever researched Generalplan Ost?

Yes, he also must have taken examples from what happened to the Canaanites and so. Not much different from the indiscriminate exterminations in your “holy” book, sanctioned by your moral role model.

So, I am sure Hitler did not think it was so bad if God did the same, and Luther himself said that we are at fault if we do not slain the Jews.

Medice, cura te ipso.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Source for Hitler obeying Martin?

Have you read “on the jew and his lies”?

I know it is difficult to distinguish it from the works of Obergruppenführer-SS R. Heydrich, but it is actually the work of the father of the reformation. And a bit knowledge of history should make it clear why the nazis were quite officially big fans of Martin.

I would read that, and the work of KH Deschner : “Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums” (the criminal history of Christianity”, for many other examples) especially if you know German.

Ciao

- viole

 

[tas8831]

I can restate:

Darwin was an apostate. Hitler was evil. Anyone who denies that Hitler used Darwin/evolution to promote his racial and eugenics concept is ignorant of the facts.

You can and will restate till the cows come home - it will not alter the fact that you are wrong and too... I don't even know at this point.... to admit it and relinquish one of your pet go-to fallacious "arguments".

One of YOUR linked articles:

"In order to sustain the thesis that Hitler was a Darwinian one would have to ignore all the explicit statements of Hitler rejecting any theory like Darwin’s and draw fanciful implications from vague words, errant phrases, and ambiguous sentences,neglecting altogether more straight -forward, contextual interpretations of such utterances. Only the ideologically blinded would still try to sustain the thesis in the face of the contrary, manifest evidence."

"Ideologically blinded" folks like zany right-wing hack Weikart and apparently, our own BB. So desperate to use logical fallacies to attack evolution when your 'science' is non-existent. Sad.



Say - remember when you declared that there was 'nervous control' over releasing 'beneficial bacteria' from the appendix? that was funny.

 

[tas8831]

Have you ever researched Generalplan Ost?

Show us evidence from a credible source (i.e., NOT Weikart) that demonstrates this plan was founded on Darwinian principles of natural selection.

Then demonstrate that even if this were so, it can be considered evidence against evolution.

I cannot wait!

 

[tas8831]

Bible...now your turn.

All of science.

Now, Chapter and verse with corroboration from non-biblical sources, since bible stories are unreliable.

 

[tas8831]

I have evidence that science uses the present as the key to the past.

Good reasons for that - say, for example, there is a volcanic eruption. We can see what evidence is produced by this volcanic eruption - lava flows that solidify into rock, layers of ash, etc.

Then we come across layers of rock that look just like the lava flows of the observed volcanic eruption. We find layers of lithified ask, with characteristics just like the ash layers we saw forming during the eruption.

You will have us shrug our shoulders and draw no conclusions because these geological features could have been created by jesus 300 years ago or whatever nonsense you propose.

Sane, sensible, educated people will draw logical conclusions. Religious kooks will dismiss for no good reason.

Now unless someone shows us hard evidence it was you are welcome to your beliefs. I do not need evidence for your beliefs only for what is called science, and used in science models.

From the fellow that thinks stories from the ancient middle east carry more weight than actual observation...

 

[tas8831]

Please post here where I wrote "Darwin is Hitler", I wrote rather that Hitler felt led by Darwin and Social Darwinism to kill/murder.

So... was this an attempt to get out of:

"Of course you have. Name or link to 3 of them. And then EXPLAIN why you think these papers have merit."

 

[Jose Fly]

I get your point, but you likely do not realize Hitler said Jesus was a weak Jew and that his "Christianity" would someday eradicate added tens of millions of Christians!

Whether or not you get the point remains to be seen. If you continue to try and smear evolutionary biology by associating it with Hitler, then we'll know the answer is "no".

 

[dad]

Have you read “on the jew and his lies”?

No.

I know it is difficult to distinguish it from the works of Obergruppenführer-SS R. Heydrich, but it is actually the work of the father of the reformation. And a bit knowledge of history should make it clear why the nazis were quite officially big fans of Martin.

Well, if it is easy, how about a quote or two that shows this to be the case?

I would read that, and the work of KH Deschner : “Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums” (the criminal history of Christianity”, for many other examples) especially if you know German.

Ciao

Rather than offer reading list (in another language no less) your quest and job is to lift out some relevant part to quote here that you think supports your claim.

 

[viole]

No.

Of course not. You would not have replied like you did, otherwise.

Come back to me when you did. It is not a big book and it must have English translations by now.

Little spoiler as requested: we are at fault for not slaying them (the Jews).

If you want more here, is an English excerpt of some pearls of good old Christian wisdom coming directly from the father of reformation:

In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".


From your co-believer Martin (not Bormann).

Ciao

- viole

 

[dad]

All of science.

Now, Chapter and verse with corroboration from non-biblical sources, since bible stories are unreliable.

None of science deals with what state nature was on earth in the past. Science is about methodically believing it was as now and modelling accordingly!

Yes, the Sumers recorded long lives also, and the Egyptians recorded spirit beings as the first kings!

 

[dad]

Of course not. You would not have replied like you did, otherwise.

Come back to me when you did. It is not a big book and it must have English translations by now.

Not interested in being handed reading assignments. Your job is to cite relevant bits and use a link for support.

Little spoiler as requested: we are at fault for not slaying them (the Jews).

Who said this, Hitler or Luther? What is the connection either way?

If you want more here is an English translation fo some pearls of Christian wisdom:

In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3]and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]


From your Martin (not Bormann).

Ciao

I have heard that sort of thing quoted from Luther. Now, what is the proof Hitler leaned on Luther for direction?