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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by sooda, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. 12jtartar

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    Timothy Spurlin,
    I have not lived long enough to actually KNOW that everything I read about really happened, and especially the way it happened. I doubt that you know, first hand, the everything you believe, you actually saw happen. We all believe much on trust, of what happened before we lived.
    The reason I believe everything I read in the Bible is true, is, first of all, no human being could possibly be the Author of a Book, even compared to the Bible. This Book was written by about 40ty men, over the time of 1,600 years. This without disagreements, but all completely Harmonious. This Book, started in 15,13 BCE. By Moses, and completed in 98 AD. and is and always has been the most up to date Book ever written, when most books a obsolete before they get on the Bookshelves. Contained in this book is information that no human living at the time of writing knew. Scientists are amazed as to the accuracy of Genesis, with what they can determine the order of Creation to be completely accurate. Another thing, God had written that EVERYTHING living, bothe animal and plant life would, bring forth only, After its Kind. Today, this is called Prestabilism, by Scientists, and is unbreakable, as scientists have found out by many experiments, both Invitro, and Invivo. The protection written by Moses, in The Law of Moses surprises Scientists, even today. None in the ancient world, knew the safety of hygiene.
    Probably, the most astounding things written in the Bible are the Prophecies. Some Prophecies were for short periods of time, while others were hundreds, even for thousands of years. Every one came true exactly as prophesied. With man, this is impossible, only The Almighty God could have a Book written like The Bible. God as even promised to protect His Book from those who would destroy it, or even Corrupt it.
    Another thing that is written in God’s Book, is that it is written in a way that the wise and intellectual ones cannot understand it, but Babes can, Luke 10:21. What man could or can write a Book like The Holy Scriptures??? Agape!!!
     
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    Timothy Spurlin,
    I’m glad you asked that. The Bible tells us that no one knows the day or the hour, when Jesus will return, but we have many clues, as to the period of time when Jesus will return to earth.
    The trouble is, we do not want to wait until Jesus returns to earth to start to obey him, because he returns to earth to JUDGE, mankind, John 5:22, Acts 17:31, Matthew 25:31-46, 2Peter 3:1-7.
    Consider what the destiny is, of all those who do not KNOW GOD, and who do not OBEY The lord Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10.
    As to the TIME that Jesus will return to earth. Jesus’ disciples wanted to know that too. Only a few days before Jesus gave his life as a Ransom Sacrifice for us, four of his disciples came to him and asked; When will these things be and what will be the SIGN of your coming and the end of the system or things, Matthew 24:3? Jesus had just told them about the destruction of the temple, and the beautiful buildings around it, being destroyed, they wanted to know when, because they thought it was going to be soon, they did not know that it would be over 2,000 years before Jesus’ return. Jesus started to tell them many things that would happen before his return. The things Jesus mentioned are recorded at Matthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13, Luke chapter 21. If you read the whole Chapter Matthew 24, Jesus mentions many thing that would happen before he would return, wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes, signs in the sun and moon.
    Now, to some extent all of these things have happened in all the centuries since Jesus was here, so how is this TIME, THIS generation different from all the others, so that anyone could unmistakenly reconize this generation that Jesus was speaking about at Matthew 24:34. A sure sign was mentioned by Jesus, when he said, Learn from the Parable of the Fig Tree. Jesus explained, when you see the tree limbs getting tender and leaves starting to grow, you know that Summer is near. Jesus then said; when you see all the things that Jesus just mentioned happening, you will know that Jesus is near.
    The real difference is all of the things that Jesus mentioned, are not just happening, but are happening on an unprecedented scale, in ONE Generation, which, to the observer, is unmistakable. There were more people killed in the 20th century than in all the wars that took place in all the centuries since Jesus lived on earth. Crime is worse, health problems are worse. Jesus mentioned earthquakes, of which, there are ten times more major earthquakes than in the centuries before this one. Consider what Paul wrote about the end times, 2Timothy 3:1-7, 4:2-5, And 2Peter 3:3-7, what Jesus said, John 16:1-4, Here Jesus said that people would get so far from the truth of God’s word that, when you told them the truth about something they would be so angry, when they thought it was you, who was wrong, when it was really them, and they would kill you thinking that they had done a sacred service for God, when they had killed one of God’s own people.
    One more point about, WHEN. This is just speculation!!!
    In the Bible, at Genesis 6:3, an amount of years is mentioned by God. He was not actually talking to anyone and there seem to be no reason to put this number in the Bible, it was a time period until the flood of Noah’s day would come. Several times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, the time before the flood was compared to the time before Jesus would return, even the conditions were very much alike, Luke 17:26-30, 21:29-32. The time period could very well also be the same.
    In Daniel chapter 4 concerning a Tree, which symbolized The Kingdom of God. This tree was shown to be cut down and banded
    With a bronze band for Seven Times, The Times stood for years. There were 360 days to the year in prophecy, so 7X360= 2,520 years. This date started when the Great Temple that Solomon built was destroyed and also the nation of the Jews were taken to Babylon, which symbolized the end of the Kingdom of God on earth. In 607BCE. Add together 2,520BCE to 607BC and the period ends at 1914. This is the date that the Kingdom was born again, with Jesus as the King. The Bible says that Jesus would reign for a while in the middle of his enemies, then he will come to earth, for Judgement, Armageddon. The same generation when Jesus becomes the Messianic King. This puts us very near the end!!! Agape!!!
     
  3. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Here it is, its the actor Robert Powell.

     
  4. Timothy Spurlin

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    The Bible is the claim not the evidence.
    What evidence do you have Jesus existed outside of the bible's claims?
     
  5. Timothy Spurlin

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    The bible was written by humans, not god.
     
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    Timothy Spurlin,
    If you want to call The Almighty God a lier, that is your business, but not for much longer, Isaiah 40:8, 2Timothy 3:16,17, 1Thessalonians 2:13, 1Peter 1:25, 2Peter 1:20,21. It is true that men actually penned the words, but they wrote what God wanted them to write, and as 2Peter 1:21 says, God’s Holy Spirit guided their writing to make sure it was accurate.
    There are two kinds of inspiration, Verbal Inspiration, and Plenary Inspiration. Verbal Inspiration is where God told the Bible the exact words that He wanted written, as was the case when Moses wrote the Ten Commandments. Plenary Inspiration, is when God, or one of His prophets told the Bible writer what to write, but then left it up to the writer, as to the words used, as long as the message was accurate.
    Think of this, and please enlighten me as to how Isaiah knew that the earth was circular, when men, at that time had all kinds of myths about the earth, Isaiah 40:22. How did Moses know that the earth was hung upon nothing,in space, when man thought that a giant carried the earth on his back while he was riding on the back of a giant turtle, or a number of other myths, just as far fetched. One funny thing that Moses wrote, has been called a lie for hundreds of years, even down to the late 18 hundreds. Moses sIs that the hare was an unclean animal, because it chewed the cud, but did not split the hoof. Scientists said that the hare did not chew the cud, along with Biologists. Only in the late 18 hundreds did they learn the truth, the hare does chew the cud, but in a different manner that most other animals, they pass food only partly digested, then later they come back to find their pellets, and complete the digestion of their food by chewing this unusual cud. Funny, but how in the world did Moses know this and write in in God’s Holy Book???
    How could The Prophet Daniel have wrote so many Prophecies, about 80% of the Book of Daniel was prophecy. Some of these were short, but, as I wrote before, some Prophecies were for thousands of years. Daniels prophecy at Daniel 9:24-27, which told the exact time that Great Temple that Solomon built would be rebuilt, which was the first part of the Prophecy, 7X7, or 49 years, from the time that the Jews were releasted from Babylon, then the person that would amount to 483 years to the Coming of The Messiah, at 33CE. Then it tells about the Messiah being cut off at the middle of the year, which Jesus was, then the. Prophecy to the Jews would extend until the end of the 490th year. After the 490 year the uncircumcised Gentiles would be allowed to become part of the Christian Congregation. This is recorded at 10:1-48.
    The Jews living at the time that Jesus was to appear, understood that the Messiah was to come at any minute, when John the Baptist came, so they thought that John the Baptist was the Messiah, Luke 3:15.
    This prophecy was written about 500 years before The Messiah, Jesus appeared for Baptism.
    Please explain to me how these things would be possible, if God had not made things happen, just as He had His Prophets write. If you know any man that can cause things to happen just as he said they would, Please tell me his Name, so I can worship him. As far as I know no human can take the Name Jehovah, which means, He Causes to Become. God causes His Purpose to Become exactly as He wants it, Isaiah 55:11. No one else can!!!
    Agape!!!
     
  7. Timothy Spurlin

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    Quoting the Bible doesn't prove your god inspired humans to write it.
    First you have to prove your god is real.
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    Isn't this simply circular logic?
     
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    EtuMalku,
    I don’t understand what I said that could be called circular logic.
    There are many things that the Bible mentions as a reason why a person cannot, or will not understand The Holy Scriptures. Please consider these and make sure that none of these apply to you, if you are sincere. One thing is being wicked, are you truely searching for the truthful message sent to us by The Almighty God, consider Daniel 12:10, Isaiah 26:10. Some people are willfully blind, because they do not want to be restricted in anything they want to do, therefore their heart will not let them see, Matthew 13:13-15. Read all of the 13th chapter and consider each of the things mentioned, that keep many people from listening and to keep following God’s word
    The Bible tells us that God’s Holy Spirit, is necessary to understand the deep things about God, 1Corinthians 2:10-16.
    There are many so called gods, but there is just ONE true God, and His name is Jehovah, in English. It seems to me that God would want any person who wants to KNOW God, and have a personal relationship with Him, would use His Personal, Proper Name, especially when praying to Him, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13.
    The Bible tells us that God does not even listen to prayers from people who have innocent blood on their hands, Isaiah 1:15-20.
    The Bible also that anyone turning away , his ear from hearing the law, that his prayer is an abomination to God.
    At Proverbs 6:16-19, are written, seven things that God hates. We cannot be perfect, but we should be making an effort to follow God’s wishes, James 1:22.
    If we want to live forever in. Paradise earth, we will work on these things that God had written.
    The Almighty has proved His love for mankind, by sending His Dearly Loved son into the earth to give his life, as a Corresponding Sacrifice, so that anyone who tries to follow Jesus, can gain all the things that Adam and Eve lost for their offspring, John 3:16, 1Timothy 2:1-6, 1Peter 1:2:21, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10, Revelation 21:1-5. Agape!!!
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    The Bible is true! Why do you believe that? Because the Bible tells me so!
    Sounds like Circular Logic to me . . .
     
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    I feel sorry for magic serpents everywhere, always getting the shaft from racist gods. :)
     
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