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Featured The Binding of Satan

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by sooda, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. Timothy Spurlin

    Timothy Spurlin Active Member

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    Ah, so you have no objective evidence that jesus exist outside of the Bible?

    The Bible is the claim not the evidence.
     
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  2. Timothy Spurlin

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    So by that logic, satan has been free for over a thousand years.
     
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    I didn't say that. It's a moot question. I do have objective evidence that Jesus existed outside of the Bible but if you are suggesting that such secular histories are more reliable than the Bible you don't know much about the Bible and you don't know much about secular history. If I can give you a handful of references from secular histories and several of them are spurious, then how reliable are those secular histories in the first place, how likely would some lone religious figure have garnered the interest of secular historians in the first place?

    Nonsense.
     
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    sooda,
    Just about everything you have written does not fit in with what the Bible says. Don’t be angry, very few people understand what the Bible is speaking about, and when these things take place.
    I don’t have time to go over everything you said to show how these things fit, so l will just show you how the things you mentioned, all fit together.
    First, Revelation 20:1-3, is still in the future. This will be when Jesus comes back to earth. Notice in the first verse of Revelation 20, this Angel is Jesus and He then binds up Satan and throws him into the Abyss for 1,000 years. During that 1,000 years people will be resurrected back to earth, and millions will have lived through the Great Tribulation, the destruction of Babylon the Great, mentioned in 17th chapter of Revelation.
    The reason Satan and demons are thrown into the Abyss is because, Jesus, with the Help of the ones spoken of at Revelation 20:4-7, the Kings and Priests taken from earth, along with the resurrected ones will bring this earth back to a Paradise earth, just as it was in Adam and Eve’s time, before the rebellion. Satan and his demons will be locked in the Abyss during this time, so that they cannot cause ant trouble, until the thousand year Judgement Day is over. Then the people alive will receive a New Book, to show us how to live live in the Paradise, what to eat, to regain perfect bodies. Then After all have been resurrected and all have attained perfection, in body, mind, emotions, mentally, Satan and his demons will be released for a short time to test all the people who will then be perfect again. After that final test all the people alive will be granted Everlasting Life in a Perfect Earth, just as God originally Purposed, Revelation 20:7-10.
    All these things are prophesied in the Holy Scriptures.
    Satan did not lose power in the first century!! This can be seen by the terrible conditions in our own day.
    Turn to Revelation 12:7-11, Here the Bible speake about a war in heaven, where Satan and Michael the ArchAngel had a war, Satan and his demons lost, and were thrown down to earth. Then notice what is said in verse 12, Woe to the earth and the sea because Satan was mad because he was thrown to the earth. Everything on earth would get much worse because Satan was thrown down to earth, knowing that he only had a short time left before his destruction, to cause much trouble.
    In the first part of Chapter 7 we are told of the birth of a son, which was symbolicly talking about The Kingdom that was prophesied about at Daniel chapter 4. Here a great tree was pictured as The Kingdom, and it would be put low for seven times, which was a period of 2,520 years. In prophesy years were 360 days. Seven times were 7 weeks of years= 7X360 = 2,520 years. Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC so add 2520 years to 607 and you come to 1914, when The Kingdom of God would again start ruling. Jesus started ruling in 1914, but He is to rule in the middle of his enemies for a while, then he will come back to earth, for Judgement, Psalms 110:1-7, Acts 17:31.
    There are other Scriptures that proof the what I have written is the only way all the Scriptures fit together harmoniously, but this is getting too long. Please read and meditate on these, and if you write me back, I will be glad to explain why I put down everything.
    Agape!!!
     
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    No. Satan is around and very much in business.1 Peter 5:8

    First there will be an abyss where Satan will be imprison but that will happen when the fifth trumpet sounds. Revelation 9:11

    After Satan is imprisoned, his sentence will start - 1,000 years. The sixth trumpet will sound, something will happen and then the last trumpet will sound - the Son of Man together with his angels will gather those who will be saved - those who have died in Christ and those who are alive in Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:52

    Those are the general plans.

    The first trumpet Revelation 8:7 has yet to be sounded.
    If we are lucky, we might be witnesses to these events.
     
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    sooda,
    Before long we will understand that Gog and Magog, stand for The Untied Nations, and the Ten Kings, that are mentioned at Revelation 17:12-18. By reading the 17th chapter, and meditating on these and what Ezekiel 38,39 says about our time, it seems that God and Magog. Must be The United Nations and and the Ten Kings That give it power.
     
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    Who me? I don't overestimate the value of things like "proof," or "evidence." Those things are subjective. Ultimately faith, well deserved, is all I need. If I hear of someone claiming to have proof or evidence of God's existence or the historicity of Jesus I don't pay much, if any, attention to it.
     
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    Timothy Spurlin,
    Satan has been on the loose for around 6,000 years. His time is getting very close. Revelation 12 tells the story of the Messianic Kingdom being born, Jesus is that king, and a war in heaven that resulted in Satan and his demons being thrown down to earth, which occurred at 1914. After 1914 the world has gotten much worse, even faster that before. Historians point to the year 1914 as, by far, the greatest changes this world has ever undergone, in all facets of life, because Satan and his demons were thrown down to earth in that year, and he is very mad because he knows that his days are very short.
     
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    I doubt you have objective evidence for Jesus.

    If you have objective evidence present it.
     
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    See what I mean.. Between the Scofield heresy and Hal Lindsey you have been rooked. Gog and Magog were from Lydia (Anatolia) and they attacked Syria and Coastal Palestine long before the birth of Jesus. They were expert horsemen and bowsmen.. and they came quickly and silently like a plague of locusts.
     
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    What objective evidence do you have that satan or Jesus are real, and not subjective coming from your mind?
     
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    Do you also have something constructive to say?
    Not really getting your reply here....
     
  14. Timothy Spurlin

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    So you admit all you have is subjective evidence from your mind?
     
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    No. I didn't say that.
     
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    If that "lone religious figure" actually performed the miracles that are claimed in the bible, I'ld say it would have been the talk of the century.

    But if that "lone religious figure" was just a quack like there were hundreds, thousands, around at that time (and after it, even today), then it would be just a footnote only mentioned because he succeeded in gathering some more following then his quack peers.

    The evidence seems to be pointing to the latter, rather then the first.

    No. Exactly correct.
     
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    It seems that just about every generation since early christianity believed that they lived during the time that it was all going to go down.

    After 1900 years of being incorrect about it, isn't it about time to move on?
     
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    Okey dokey. No problem. Your original post. . . .

    This is an emotional statement. It's terms are also subjective. First of all, what makes you think my god is "all loving and benevolent" and what do those terms even mean? Willing to allow those who would destroy mankind, and if possible, God's purpose for mankind, to just go ahead and do that?

    Secondly, what is the "very embodiment of evil" and what does that mean? Were we talking about Job? The war in heaven resulting in Satan being hurled down to earth? or the release of Satan from the abyss before his destruction and the destruction of his followers? All of these are Biblical teachings.

    So, then the question is, why? What does it mean to his so called "children" which he loves so dearly. What, more importantly, would happen to them if he didn't allow Satan to be set loose?

    would you hazard a guess?
     
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    So when is Jesus coming back?
    I wished he would hurry up.
     
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    Agree. The word “science” is not applicable to it.

    Ciao

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