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The Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham (of AnswersinGenesis.com) Debate

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Druidus, May 7, 2014.

  1. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    I was unfortunate enough to be without wifi when the Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham debate occurred earlier this year. I've been putting off watching it for a long time now.

    I'm now questioning whether I really should watch it or not. I'd rather not waste two hours of my time if it isn't worthwhile. So has anyone here seen it? Without giving spoilers, how would you describe it? An enjoyable experience or not, and why?

    I know there've been people on other sites claiming both sides as the winner, so I don't know if that's just an inability of one side to accept that the other won, or if it's because it was never fully resolved definitively. I was extremely excited when I first heard word of it, and I still would like to see it, but only if it's actually going to be an enjoyable experience. I've got freelance writing to do, university preparations, a novel to keep working on, and several other things in my life that demand my time at the moment, so I just can't justify watching it if it might be a waste of two hours. Luckily I'm going o be on RF anyway, at least lurking, so I hope to be able to decide based on any information that RF viewers are able to provide.

    Write whatever you want, a short review would be fine, or a long one, depending on what you care to share, but, please, no spoilers.
     
  2. outhouse

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    It is honestly embarrassing that Bill even debated him.

    The only value I witnessed was how bad some people can deny scientific reality and pervert the conclusions originally placed before them, Ham.

    If you want to watch Ham duck and weave and then using no rationality begin to blather his religious belief, go ahead.
     
  3. kashmir

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    Nothing personal, but I wouldn't watch anything with Mr Ham in it, if its about YEC.
    We all know what can and can not be proven true.
    if it was about other things, like the good and bad in religion, etc ok yah.

    I will admit that I sometimes wonder, if a deity did create the universe, he surely can make it seem young, sort of like to produce a diamond, it takes a long time foe the diamond to form, so its still old, even if it just appeared.
    So even if that is true, no way to ever prove that.
    I have nothing against Ham, he is a human being too.

    Oddly Mr Nye hurt my feelings, he isn't supposed to be a meanie head.
    My childhood watching him is all a lie :(
    lmao
     
  4. Windwalker

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    It's a debate between rational science and mythic religion. It's like debating an apple versus an orange; talking about an apple to describe an orange, and talking about an orange to describe an apple. And the joke was neither side realized it. It's worth watching to see them both lose the debate.
     
  5. AmbiguousGuy

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    My side wins every debate. The bad guys always lose.
     
  6. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    If you're a creationist, the creationist side won.

    If you're an evolutionist, the evolutionist side won.

    Two completely different views on science and how we know things.
     
  7. kashmir

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    I honestly believe the main reason for these debates is $$$ because of the drama behind it all.
    Look at YT, tons and tons of fundies are eating the stuff up.
    I cant stand the "not so amazing" atheist guy.
    He is a completely hypocrite the way he presents himself as having higher morals then those that worship the easter bunny, considering how he constantly talks about teens and sex/drugs and basically supports it.

    I seriously think most of this is all about $$$.
    Nothing wrong with that, mind you.

    I almost think Ken Ham is trolling, it's written all over his face.
    But that's just me.
     
  8. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
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    I like your cynicism :)
     
  9. kashmir

    kashmir Well-Known Member

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    It came to me in a dream, no, a lil birdie told me :D
     
  10. outhouse

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    Nobody won.


    Humanity lost.


    It was sad that is was actually debated.
     
  11. kashmir

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    I look at the bigger picture, funding was generated that almost always goes back to the people.
    :yes:

    and those who watched, gets to think for a change on a very important topic.
     
  12. Ouroboros

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    True.

    Nah. I wouldn't be that harsh. But I did feel like puking a couple of times while watching.

    It's sad that it's even necessary to be debated at all. There shouldn't be a conflict. The evidence is very strong and overwhelming for evolution. It's like doubting that gravity exists and have to debate if gravity is real or not, or if there are magical, invisible gravity-pixies flying up and down pulling things down.
     
  13. fantome profane

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    Back to the people? How exactly did any of the money get back to the people? One of my fears is that much of the money generated went to AIG to help fund deception. This did not "create" money. It just transferred cash from gullible people into the pockets of con artists like Ken Ham so he could use it to go out and deceive more gullible people.
     
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