The Biggest Threat....Not What Most Think

[Revoltingest]

I keep hearing from my leftish friends that Trump's support is based on
white supremacy. The reason? They see a few Johnny Reb flags at
protests/riots. This conflicts with what I hear from the bulk of Trumpies.
Also, his support among blacks actually increased from 2016.
So what explains it better?

Of the dyed in the wool Trump supporters I know, the main thing they
have in common is being fundamentalist Christian....the kind who believe
the Bible is the exact inerrant word of their God. I've noticed this in the
news lately, with Christian preachers calling for violent overthrow, lest
we no longer be a Christian nation.

The threat is Christian nationalism, which is based upon the belief
that Trump will keep the country Christian. God himself favors Trump.
Some examples....
Pastor urges Trump admin to 'shoot' Democrats, journalists if they conspired to 'rig' election
Louisville pastor curses Trump opponents over 'stolen' election
Eric Metaxas, Christian radio host, tells Trump, 'Jesus is with us in this fight'

Anti-atheist Loui Gohmert...even a Christian Congressman advocates
violence against the very government he serves in. Thus I say to
beware those who place their fire & brimstone Bible interpretation
above the Constitution.

 

[Altfish]

I keep hearing from my leftish friends that Trump's support is based on
white supremacy. The reason? They see a few Johnny Reb flags at
protests/riots. This conflicts with what I hear from the bulk of Trumpies.
Also, his support among blacks actually increased from 2016.
So what explains it better?

Of the dyed in the wool Trump supporters I know, the main thing they
have in common is being fundamentalist Christian....the kind who believe
the Bible is the exact inerrant word of their God. I've noticed this in the
news lately, with Christian preachers calling for violent overthrow, lest
we no longer be a Christian nation.

The threat is Christian Nationalism, which is based upon the belief
that Trump will keep the country Christian. God himself favors Trump.
Some examples....
Pastor urges Trump admin to 'shoot' Democrats, journalists if they conspired to 'rig' election
Louisville pastor curses Trump opponents over 'stolen' election
Eric Metaxas, Christian radio host, tells Trump, 'Jesus is with us in this fight'

Anti-atheist Loui Gohmert...even a Christian Congressman advocates
violence against the very government he serves in. Thus I say to
beware those who place their fire & brimstone Bible interpretation
above the Constitution.

Can't disagree with any of that.
What ever happened to the US law that churches lost that tax-free status if they became political?

 

[Revoltingest]

Disclaimer....
Of course, I don't condemn Christians in general.
Just the (big) crazy violent element.

 

[Revoltingest]

Can't disagree with any of that.
What ever happened to the US law that churches lost that tax-free status if they became political?

With a government overwhelmingly Christian,
we don't see them going after their own.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The threat is Christian Nationalism, ...

Do you mean the Christian Nationalism so beautifully symbolized by the burning cross of the KKK?

The irony here is that your persistent effort to diminish the stain of white nationalism from Trump's rule can best be characterized as white-washing.

 

[Sunstone]

It's interesting to contemplate that people on the left think the biggest threat to democracy is coming from White Supremacists merely on the basis that they have seen a few pics of people carrying Confederate flags. I wonder who's going to believe no one on the left has been paying attention to the F.B.I. since the 1990s.

Me, I think when the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed, three or four of the left's more impressionable members started spreading rumors that right wing militia groups and White Supremacists were dangerous. The rumors have spread slowly. I myself only heard about it two months ago.

 

[Sunstone]

Dominion Theology.

You're welcome.

 

[Altfish]

With a government overwhelmingly Christian,
we don't see them going after their own.

Which is the root of the Us's problems. Politics and Religion are too entwinned.
In my country, the UK, there are not many politicians whose religion I could name; not many are actually practicing. It has little impact at the ballot box.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you mean the Christian Nationalism so beautifully symbolized by the burning cross of the KKK?

The irony here is that your persistent effort to diminish the stain of white nationalism from Trump's rule can best be characterized as white-washing.

Straightaway into the ad hominem, eh.
Since you invited it....
IMO, you & yours see racism as the ultimate insult,
& so that is your battle cry. It's specious & vapid.
To ignore religion's role is to miss a larger threat.


I'm going by what I actually hear from Trumpettes,
Not just the left wing stereotypes. Note also that
even NPR is beginning to cover Christian nationalism.

 

[pearl]

Anti-atheist Loui Gohmert...even a Christian Congressman advocates
violence against the very government he serves in. Thus I say to
beware those who place their fire & brimstone Bible interpretation
above the Constitution.

Its rather ironic that creating this monster is the byproduct of cherry picking the Bible to conform to a groups agenda. Interesting, or horrifying, times to come with a more polished form of it on SCOTUS.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its rather ironic that creating this monster is the byproduct of cherry picking the Bible to conform to a groups agenda. Interesting, or horrifying, times to come with a more polished form of it on SCOTUS.

I have no Bible learn'n. But from what I hear about it,
cherry picking is unavoidable because of contradictory
messages. I've more sympathy for those who pick a
peaceful & tolerant message.

Note:
Trying to convey the message that I'm not anti-Christian.
But I am anti towards Christian nationalism. So my friends
with faith should remain friends.

 

[Sunstone]

I only heard this last night when I was watching a video of Sunday's "Meet the Press". Chuck Todd said "57% of domestic terrorist acts since 1994 had been committed by right wing militia and White supremacists." Then he went on, "The danger has been hiding in plain sight."

I almost laughed out loud. Yeah, Todd. Got any idea who maybe has not been reporting on right wing terrorism? Hm... That's a poser. Hm... How about the main stream media? You know, the corporate owned media outlets everyone says are our nation's far left propaganda channels. Yeah, those guys. Maybe now we have a clue how the danger has managed to hide in plain sight.

Almost everything I've been learning since 11/6 about what's been going on for years and decades in America has done nothing but inspire me with confidence the no won has been feeding the American people malarkey at all. Not a drop of it!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Straightaway into the ad hominem, eh.

 

[Sunstone]

I dunno know. Maybe it's just me. But I'm thinking someone can be both a White supremacist and a Christian Dominionist at the same time.

 

[Magic Man]

I keep hearing from my leftish friends that Trump's support is based on
white supremacy. The reason? They see a few Johnny Reb flags at
protests/riots. This conflicts with what I hear from the bulk of Trumpies.
Also, his support among blacks actually increased from 2016.
So what explains it better?

This is where specifics are extremely important. We'd need to know exactly what "you keep hearing".

Trump's support is based on several things, racism/white supremacy being a major one. The reason for this claim is not that there are a few Confederate flags or whatever at protests. It's because Trump constantly appeals to racism explicitly and sometimes in dog whistles. It's also because blatant white supremacists avidly support him. Along with that, those white supremacists find themselves right at home at his rallies. Not everyone there is a member of Proud Boys or other such groups, but they are happy to be chummy with them. And of course Trump and his team go out of their way to not condemn white supremacists.

Also, as Jay pointed out, the Christian angle has been major part of white supremacy for at least a century and a half.

 

[Revoltingest]

The KKK is indeed Christian.
This does not mean that all Christians are KKK.
(The 2nd sentence should be seen as gross understatement.)

 

[Revoltingest]

This is where specifics are extremely important. We'd need to know exactly what "you keep hearing".

You've been away, & missed discussions on the topic.
Rather than go thru it all again, you should read the
relevant threads in North Ameristanian Politics.

 

[Revoltingest]

I dunno know. Maybe it's just me. But I'm thinking someone can be both a White supremacist and a Christian Dominionist at the same time.

As I pointed out in the OP, it's about
which is the better explanation.
I invite arguments in favor of others.

 

[Magic Man]

You've been away, & missed discussions on the topic.
Rather than go thru it all again, you should read the
relevant threads in North Ameristanian Politics.

No, thanks. If you're talking about specific people here, then say that. My point was just that "Trump's support is based on white supremacy" might be something someone said, but it's probably either not exactly what they said or they said it in a certain context. The fact is Trump does get a lot of support based on white supremacy. I'm going to guess that's all people have told you and they have not implied that 100% of Trump's support is based on white supremacy.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, thanks.

OK.
But if you change your mind, I recommend....
Why Trump Appeals to So Many Americans, IMO