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Featured The Bible - Why Trust It

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by nPeace, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. sooda

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    Well, I have read the Bible forwards and backwards and I don't recall any "writer" claiming Genesis is history.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    There are no such claims. The writing and editing all smack of mythic writing, not historical writing.
     
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    Were you a minister?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Am. I have standing in a mainstream denomination, and hold a graduate degree from a fully accredited seminary.
     
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    Cool.. I love your posts..
     
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    @sooda in case you don't know, posters on RF are often busy with more threads than one. There are not sitting down twiddling their thumbs and waiting for soodas and @sojourner to post.
    Sometimes we do move away from our computers, because we have something else to do. So I hope in the future, when you post, you will not assume the person should respond there and then, because they are sitting at their computer, as sooda may do (idk), with nothing to do, and nowhere to go, but on RF.

    You asked, 'What writer claims its history?'
    The answer - the writer of Genesis.
    Where? Did both you and @sojourner read the scriptures in the post? I quoted the texts.
     
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    Show me where it says the writer of Genesis calls it history..
     
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    Again, you mean. Please read.
     
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    Thanks!
     
  10. Mestemia

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    What version is that?
    Cause it looks to me as though you changed the word "generations" to "history"

    For example:
    Genesis 5:1
    (ASV)
    This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    (BBE) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God made man, he made him in the image of God;
    (Bishops) This is the booke of the generations of Ada. In the day that God created man, in the lykenesse of God made he hym.
    (Brenton) This is the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him:
    (CEV) God created men and women to be like himself. He gave them his blessing and called them human beings. This is a list of the descendants of Adam, the first man:
    (Darby) This is the book of Adam's generations. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him.
    (DRB) This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God.
    (ERV) This is the history of Adam's family. When God created people, he made them like himself.
    (ESV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
    (ESV+) This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, R15he made him in the likeness of God.
    (Geneva) This is the booke of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created Adam, in the likenes of God made he him,
    (GNB) This is the list of the descendants of Adam. (When God created human beings, he made them like himself.
    (GW) This is the written account of Adam and his descendants. When God created humans, he made them in the likeness of God.
    (ISV) This is the historical record of Adam's generations. When God created mankind, he made them in his own likeness.
    (JPS) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him;
    (JUB) This is the book of the descendants of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in the likeness of God;
    (KJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    (KJV+) ThisH2088 is the bookH5612 of the generationsH8435 of Adam.H121 In the dayH3117 that GodH430 createdH1254 man,H120 in the likenessH1823 of GodH430 madeH6213 he him;
    (KJV-1611) This is the booke of the generations of Adam: In the day that God created man, in the likenes of God made he him.
    (KJVA) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    (KJV-BRG) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    (LEB) This is the record of the generations of Adam. When God created Adam, he made him in the likeness of God.
    (LITV) This is the book of the generations of Adam: In the day that God created man. He made him in the likeness of God.
    (MKJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
    (RV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    (TLV) This is the Book of the Genealogies of Adam: When God created Adam, in the likeness of God He made him.
    (TS2009) This is the book of the genealogy of Aḏam. In the day that Elohim created man, He made him in the likeness of Elohim.
    (WEB) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in God’s likeness.
    (WEBA) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in God’s likeness.
    (Webster) This is the book of the generations of Adam: In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him:
    (YLT) This is an account of the births of Adam: In the day of God's preparing man, in the likeness of God He hath made him;​
     
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    Okay. So explain please, what does, "these are the generations of" or "the book of the generations of" mean.
     
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    Family tree.

    I sincerely hope that you are not going to claim that revealing who begot who is a claim that the whole book is history.

    And you did not reveal what version you referenced from...
    Is that because you did as I suspect and merely change the word "generation" to "history"?
     
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    Family tree.
    Okay, the family tree of the names called. Correct?
    ...and Genesis 2:4? What does that mean?
    Also, what does, "this is an account of" mean?
     
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    Why did you change what the verse actually says to what you wanted the verse to say?
     
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    You are not answering the questions. Why?
     
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    You have not answered more of my questions than I have not answered of yours.
    Why?

    You got caught being dishonest with Bible verses.
    I know why you changed the verses.
    They did not say what you wanted.
    Meaning YOU DO NOT TRUST THE BIBLE!

    Cause if you did, in fact, trust the Bible, you would not have felt the need to change it.

    So much for your credibility.
     
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    I'll help you, since you know who really is being dishonest.

    New International Version
    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

    New Living Translation
    This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    English Standard Version
    These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

    Berean Study Bible
    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made them.

    New American Standard Bible
    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

    New King James Version
    This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    King James Bible
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    Christian Standard Bible
    These are the records of the heavens and the earth, concerning their creation. At the time that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    Contemporary English Version
    That's how God created the heavens and the earth. When the LORD God made the heavens and the earth,

    Good News Translation
    And that is how the universe was created. When the LORD God made the universe,

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    These are the records of the heavens and the earth, concerning their creation at the time that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

    International Standard Version
    These are the records of the universe at its creation. On the day that the LORD God made the earth and skies,

    NET Bible
    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created--when the LORD God made the earth and heavens.

    New Heart English Bible
    This is the account of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, at the time when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    This is the account of heaven and earth when they were created, at the time when the LORD God made earth and heaven.

    JPS Tanakh 1917
    These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

    New American Standard 1977
    This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    These are the origins of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

    King James 2000 Bible
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    American King James Version
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    American Standard Version
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

    Brenton Septuagint Translation
    This is the book of the generation of heaven and earth, when they were made, in the day in which the Lord God made the heaven and the earth,

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth:

    Darby Bible Translation
    These are the histories of the heavens and the earth, when they were created, in the day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens,

    English Revised Version
    These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

    World English Bible
    This is the history of the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that Yahweh God made the earth and the heavens.

    Young's Literal Translation
    These are births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;


    A generation does not always mean family tree.
    Generation - all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.

    Regardless of how you structure your strawman, it does not take away or detract from the fact that the accounts are about real people and events - a history.
    So you still have not addressed the post.
    Either it's all allegorical and all the Bible writers are liars, or these are real historical accounts.

    Take your pick.
     
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    Why did you change what the verse actually says to what you wanted the verse to say?
     
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    Take a look at your post again.
    Consider that you posted translations that said history, and historical account in Genesis 5:1
    Now be honest. Who really is the dishonest on here? If you are honest, you would not point to me.
    Creating a distraction is also a dishonest tactic.
    If you were serious... or rather, if you could engage in serious discussion, you would have addressed the questions asked you, rather that create a distraction.

    Since I am not aware of changing anything, why don't you tell me what it is I changed.
     
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    Back peddling does not help you.
    You done damaged your credibility to the point I do not feel it possible to trust anything you post.

    Have a nice day.
     
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