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Featured The Bible made a mess of Christianity

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by PopeADope, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sure. And the pope wears combat boots and does not wear slippers and he doesn’t carry the worthless “equipment of a foolish shepherd” (Zechariah 11:15).

    The Ten Commandments - Roman Catholic Church Version

    Keep in mind, that their instituter, the Emporer Constantine, endeavored to "make alterations in the times and and the law" (Daniel 7:25).
     
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    All that is part of our criticism for current bibles, all were man written. Original Bible given to Jesus is missing. Current topics are anecdotal amenable to editing by deletion and addition as is true for all history data
     
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    Don't let a little knowledge get in your way.
    Decalogue: Ten Commandments

    You might also compare Ex with Deut. yourself.
     
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    8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth


    8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy.
    9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work.
    10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; you shall not do any work--you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
    11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.


    Neither of the versions you referred to are kept by the Roman Catholic Church or taught in the Parochial schools, which I attended as a child. Their version is to “keep the day of the LORD”, which Sol Invictus being their lord, they keep the “day of the sun”. They keep the “day of the sun” as their day of rest, as required by Constantine, in his 321 AD decree, which forbade the buying and selling on the day of the sun, nor having government offices open. They bow down and burn candles to the queen of heaven, Mary, for the pope has placed Mary in heaven by his own decree. While my childhood Roman Catholic Church has since removed most of their statues, whereas the old women knelt down and prayed to Mary, I can walk down the street, and see similar statues in the front yard of my Catholic neighbor, of which she was no doubt raised in a Latin speaking Roman Church, where their gods where worshipped, and prayed to, although the idols could neither hear, see, or talk (Revelation 9:20). This is because the institutor of their Church, Constantine, the “another” king of Daniel 7:24, endeavored to “make alterations in times and in law”.

    On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ Constantine the Great and Christianity - Wikipedia
     
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    THE FIRST COMMANDMENT

    I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

    It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."

    I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"

    Ex 20:2-5; cf. Deut 5:6-9.

    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.

    Ex 20:8-10; . Deut 5:12-15.

    "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."

    Ex 20:11

    And apparently that's where you knowledge of the Catholic Church ends, with that of a child.

    The Catechism presents an in depth study of the entirety of the Decalogue. What you remember from Parochial school is a formulation of the Decalogue for the purpose of memorization as it is the Ten Commandments that are reflected on in the examination of conscience prior to the sacrament of reconciliation, it is the Ten Commandments that form the foundation of Catholic social justice teaching.
     
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    If that were the case, they should consider heeding the Commandments (Matthew 19:17), and also the testimony of Yeshua (Matthew 7:24). The consequence of not doing so is that that “house” will “fall”. Also, as with the case of Isaiah 22:25, the heir of Shebna/Peter, the pope/Eliakim, will “fall”, and all those “hanging” on to him, will be “cut off”.
     
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    The “Scriptures” were in scrolls, and generally held by the Rabbis. It would be a very wealthy child that would be in possession of such a treasure. In the case of Yeshua, who went into the wilderness to fast and learn, that would be an indication of the wilderness were the “Dead Sea Scrolls” were kept, and left untouched until the 1940’s, whereas the Dominicans got their hands on them and kept them under wraps for another 25 years. Those scrolls portray the same message as Yeshua would have learned at his local synagogue. The Dead Sea Scrolls were photographed, and pieced together by a computer. I am pretty sure you could access them by computer, but I am not sure, I got the book instead. “Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered” by Eisenman & Wise. Worth the read.
     
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    There are many who believe that the Bible is inspired but do not accept it as complete and without error. Numerous religious bodies today have creed books other than the Bible that dictate what their followers must believe. Some state the Bible is incomplete. Such attitudes are a major contributor to the religious confusion that exists today in our country and throughout the world. Let us consider what the Bible states about it being complete and without error. If the Bible is the inspired word of God (and it is), then whatever it says about God’s word must be respected as true.

    A number of passages speak of the completeness of God’s word:

    Jude 3 speaks of contending, "earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." The expression "once for all" could properly be written, "one time for all time". In other words, the text indicates that there will be nothing else.

    2 Peter 1:3 tells us, "as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue...". According to this verse, we now have all things we need for (eternal) life and (how to live in) godliness.

    Galatians 1:6-9. Paul wrote with great concern to the churches of Galatia about the gospel. He wrote, "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another;" (Galatians 1:6-8) Clearly Paul points out that there is only ONE gospel and at the time he wrote this text, that gospel had been revealed. Note his warning concerning accepting anything other than that gospel. He said, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you that what you have received, let him be accursed." He was so serious about this, that he repeated the warning of verse 8 again in verse 9.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 speaks of all inspired scripture being profitable and able to make the man of God "complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.". For this to be true, we must have the completed word of God. And we do! Under the old law, they Israelites were given this warning in a straight forward manner, "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." (Deut 12:32). Solomon, speaking with wisdom from God said, "Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar."(Prov.30:6).

    Matthew 15:3-9. When Jesus was confronted by the Jews about refusing to follow their traditions, He rebuked them saying, "Why do you transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition.?" (Matthew 15:3) After giving an example of their hypocrisy, He then states, "...Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. Hypocrites, Well did Isaiah prophecy about you saying: ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men." (Mt. 15:6-9) Jesus was condemning adding to God’s word.

    Revelation 22:18-19. The book of Revelation concludes with these words, "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19). While John had specifically in mind the book of Revelation, the principle portrays the attitude of God and it concurs with the numerous other passages we have noted on this point. Therefore, let us take these warnings seriously.

    Thus we can see that the Bible IS complete, and the only source we need for our salvation. Many religions have creeds that they tell you are as necessary as the Bible to be a part of their church. If a church has a creed book other than the Bible, it is not the true church. We have seen that what we have is inspired and complete. If that is true than we need nothing else. If a book says more than the Bible says, it says too much. If it omits portions of God’s word, then it does not say enough. If it says the same thing as the Bible then it is not needed in the first place.
     
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    The book of Matthew was written to prove from the Jewish Scriptures that Jesus fulfilled the requirements of messiahship. Matthew often said Jesus acted "to fulfill" what was said through one prophet or another (Matthew 1:22; 2:5, 15, 17, 23; 4:14; 8:17, etc.). One can read through the book of Matthew and note all the times that a reference is made to the Old Testament as being fulfilled in Jesus. Jesus said in Matthew 3:15 that "all righteousness" should be fulfilled in his actions. Luke 24:25-27, 44-45 and John 5:39-47 are also instructive on this point.

    Have you considered that if Jesus meant Christians had to keep all the regulations of the Law of Moses this: The "holy time" regulations of the Sabbath, or strict tithing, or the food laws? Consider what that line of reasoning would demand. Christians would be obligated to keep all the sacrificial, ceremonial and civil laws described in the Law of Moses. They would have to keep every single law mentioned in Genesis through Deuteronomy — and the rest of the Old Testament. The Jews calculated that there were 613 laws in their Holy Scriptures. Christians, then, based on the idea that Jesus was telling his disciples to keep the regulations of the Law and the Prophets, would have to keep all 613 laws.


    No wonder the apostle Paul said that thinking in these terms was wrongheaded (Galatians 3:10). For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Obviously, when we see the implications, we have to conclude that Jesus could not having been telling Christians to keep all the old covenant Law.

    We have no justification for saying His words demand we keep the Sabbath as "holy time," because he did not specifically mention this command — or the Ten Commandments.

    Jesus said that until heaven and earth ceased to exist, nothing would disappear from the law "until everything is accomplished" (5:18). But heaven and earth will pass away, and by contrast, Jesus’ own words will remain forever (Matthew 24:35). They have a greater validity than the Law because Jesus is greater than Moses.

    This explanation must be the correct one, or else the early Christian church and the apostles violated Matthew 5:17-19 by telling gentile Christians that circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses was not necessary. The book of Galatians would also have been in error on this point. And the book of Hebrews would have been in extraordinary violation of Jesus’ words, too, since it states that the entire sacrificial system, the temple worship and Levitical priesthood had been annulled.
     
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    My reply: Well now you are getting the right idea. The church of Paul, the “Christian” church, has violated all the testimony of Yeshua, and has tried to annul the Laws, as stated in Matthew 5:19, and Paul was therefore called “least”, in as much as least is the “foremost” of small, the meaning of Paul, and Paul is foremost in all things, as in foremost sinner (1 Timothy 3:15). And the Levites will be revised in the latter days.

    Isaiah 66:21
    …20"Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the LORD, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. 21"I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites," says the LORD. 22"For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.…

    Jeremiah 33:22
    'As the host of heaven cannot be counted and the sand of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.'"

    Maybe it is time for you to repent, and seek the His kingdom, and His righteousness.
     
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    hunger for power is the problem, not the bible. priests want to control the crowd, that's all. that's why there are so many denominations.
     
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    The primary foundation for "Christianity", and the false gospel of grace/cross, is the false prophet Paul, who is all things to all men. With such a foundation, I am of the opinion, of the around 2 billion "Christians", there are probably 2 billion points of view. Your NT would be the tare seed (gospel of grace) mixed with the good seed (word of the kingdom) in the same field (Matthew 13).
     
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    Didn't Christ say that Christians should follow the ten commandments? When did God command the Israelites to make graven images and worship them?
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    God had Moses create a Brazen serpent that healed people. There were graven angels on the ark of the covenant and on the walls of the temple...

    Catholics don't worship graven images
     
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    Revelation 9:18-21 tick tock
     
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    I believe you are confused because you do not have Jesus as Lord and Savior. I do and it is not confusing for me.
     
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    I believe the law is good for what Jesus says it is good for.
     
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    I believe that is not to settle disputes but to rectify a wrong action. So if a brother steals from me I go to him and ask for my possession back but if he is unwilling I take it to the church elders rather than take it to a court of law as Paul stated.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I have Jesus living within me, I am washed in the blood of the Lamb
     
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