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Featured The Bible declares that Jesus is God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Rick B, May 27, 2017.

  1. Rick B

    Rick B Active Member
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    Isaiah 53:
    1 Who has believed our message?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
    2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
    And like a root out of parched ground;
    He has no stately form or majesty
    That we should look upon Him,
    Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
    3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
    A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
    And like one from whom men hide their face
    He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
    4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
    And our sorrows He carried;
    Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
    Smitten of God, and afflicted.
    5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
    He was crushed for our iniquities;
    The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
    And by His scourging we are healed.
    6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
    Each of us has turned to his own way;
    But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
    To fall on Him.
    7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
    Yet He did not open His mouth;
    Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
    And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
    So He did not open His mouth.
    8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
    And as for His generation, who considered
    That He was cut off out of the land of the living
    For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
    9 His grave was assigned with wicked men,
    Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
    Because He had done no violence,
    Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
    10 But the Lord was pleased
    To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
    If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
    He will see His offspring,
    He will prolong His days,
    And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.
    11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
    He will see it and be satisfied;
    By His knowledge the Righteous One,
    My Servant, will justify the many,
    As He will bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
    And He will divide the booty with the strong;
    Because He poured out Himself to death,
    And was numbered with the transgressors;
    Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
    And interceded for the transgressors.
     
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    No. One Being three Persons.
     
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    Deutero-Isaiah deals with events five centuries before Jesus' time with much of it dealing with the "remnant" of Jews returning from the Babylonian exile, as "Jerome's Bible Commentary" (Christian) attests to. Unfortunately, many Christians take it out of its obvious context, citing only cherry-picked verses and narratives to support their contention.

    Since this has been discussed many times on previous threads, I'm not going to rehash this.
     
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    The Bible does declare Jesus is God.

    Psalm 24:
    7 Lift up your heads, O gates,
    And be lifted up, O ancient doors,
    That the King of glory may come in!
    8 Who is the King of glory?
    The Lord strong and mighty,
    The Lord mighty in battle.
    9 Lift up your heads, O gates,
    And lift them up, O ancient doors,
    That the King of glory may come in!
    10 Who is this King of glory?
    The Lord of hosts,
    He is the King of glory.

    Isaiah 42:
    1 “Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold;
    My chosen one in whom My soul delights.
    I have put My Spirit upon Him;
    He will bring forth justice to the nations.
    2 “He will not cry out or raise His voice,
    Nor make His voice heard in the street.
    3 “A bruised reed He will not break
    And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish;
    He will faithfully bring forth justice.
    4 “He will not be disheartened or crushed
    Until He has established justice in the earth;
    And the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.”
    5 Thus says God the Lord,
    Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
    Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
    Who gives breath to the people on it
    And spirit to those who walk in it,
    6 “I am the Lord, I have called You in righteousness,
    I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You,
    And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people,
    As a light to the nations,
    7 To open blind eyes,
    To bring out prisoners from the dungeon
    And those who dwell in darkness from the prison.
    8 “I am the Lord, that is My name;
    I will not give My glory to another,
    Nor My praise to graven images.

    Isaiah 61:
    1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners; 2 to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord...

    Luke 4:
    14 And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. 15 And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.
    16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,

    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
    Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
    He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
    And recovery of sight to the blind,
    To set free those who are oppressed,
    19 To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”
    20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

    1 Corinthians 2:
    6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
     
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    One being--3 persons is Impossible. Fact--1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all, the Father----period. Your translations are erred.
     
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    Because your god is limited to what he can do! Your god is not all powerful, he is not all knowing. He can only do things YOU understand and find possible to be done.

    But my God can do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. My God is not limited to what I can understand.

    Matthew 19:26 (NKJV) 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
     
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    Why is it impossible.
     
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    No, really, why is it impossible that there is one being that is God who eternally exists as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons?
     
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    Isaiah 45:1, identifies the Messiah, as non other then King Cyrus of Persia, Isaiah 61:1 states, that this Messiah, will free the captives, which Cyrus did, as you can see in Ezra 2, so
    why did Luke 4:18 misquote Isaiah 61:1 and mistranslate it as 'Sight to the Blind' .

    Daniel 9:25 ( Who else but Cyrus )
    restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah

    Ezra 1:2 ( Cyrus restores Jerusalem )
    Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

    Isaiah 44:28 ( Cyrus is the Shepherd)
    That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.





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    God will show all of us.
     
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    Jesus subjects himself to his God and Father after he hands back the kingdom to him.( 1Corinthians 15:24-28)--
    All that know God knows God is king of eternity---Jesus had to be appointed king( for 1000 years)--If Jesus were God, he already was king thus wouldn't need to be appointed.
     
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    1Cor 15:24-28 shows no equality--Jesus taught---The Father is greater than I.= no equality.
     
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    The difference between us, you're hoping and waiting for the future, I know now!
     
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    Just because the Persons of the Trinity have specific actions they have chosen to perform in the realm of creation does not mean that there is no equality in those Persons unless, of course, one assumes unitarianism when reading the texts.
     
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    John 10:30
    ”I and the Father are one.”
    The problem that Unitarians have when producing this as a prooftext is their, hopefully, unintentional lack of Greek grammar.

    Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary: I and my Father are one—Our language admits not of the precision of the original in this great saying. “Are” is in the masculine gender—“we (two persons) are”; while “one” is neuter—“one thing.” Perhaps “one interest” expresses, as nearly as may be, the purport of the saying. There seemed to be some contradiction between His saying they had been given by His Father into His own hands, out of which they could not be plucked, and then saying that none could pluck them out of His Father’s hands, as if they had not been given out of them. “Neither have they,” says He; “though He has given them to Me, they are as much in His own almighty hands as ever—they cannot be, and when given to Me they are not, given away from Himself, for HE AND I HAVE ALL IN COMMON.” Thus it will be seen, that, though oneness of essence is not the precise thing here affirmed, that truth is the basis of what is affirmed, without which it would not be true. And Augustine was right in saying the “We are” condemns the Sabellians (who denied the distinction of Persons in the Godhead), while the “one” (as explained) condemns the Arians (who denied the unity of their essence). (David Brown, D.D., “Commentary on John 10”. “Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible.)
     
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    Why do you insist on using scripture to prove your point of things Jesus said while HUMAN?
     
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    "why did Luke 4:18 misquote Isaiah 61:1 and mistranslate it as 'Sight to the Blind'". Jesus, in Luke 4, combined Isaiah's prophecy of the Messiah in ch.61 with 42:7 giving a fuller picture of His fulfilling the prophecies regarding the Messiah.

    It should immediately be apparent that God's use of "His anointed" is not as restricted as commonly assumed. The Hebrew word is mashiah, which has come down to us as "messiah" and translated as christos in Greek. Because we now use this term exclusively for Jesus Christ, the Messiah, many have failed to realize the breadth of its meaning.

    Mashiah simply means "anointed" or "anointed one." The Old Testament writers use it and its verb form, mashah, to describe kings (David, Saul, even Gentile kings like Hazael— II Samuel 1:14; 12:7; I Kings 19:15); priests, including the high priest (Leviticus 4:3, 5); and prophets (I Kings 19:16; Isaiah 61:1). Normally, these people were anointed with oil in a ritual as a sign of being set apart for the office that they were about to fulfill. Thus, at its most basic, mashiah indicates a person God authorizes and sets apart for His service.

    The type of service he renders can vary. Obviously, kings, priests and prophets fill very different roles, though some "anointed ones" have fulfilled more than one. David, for example, was both king and prophet, while Samuel and Jeremiah were priests and prophets. Jesus Christ is the only Anointed One to fulfill all three roles, as well as that of Apostle.
    Cyrus:
    God's Anointed
    by Richard T. Ritenbaugh
     
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    In the Septuagint version of Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus (Κύρῳ) is a Christ (χριστῷ) who fulfilled Isaiah 61:1 but Jesus didn't fulfil anything, he was never King of Judea, He never freed any captives and he never restored any ruined cities.

    Cyrus became the King of Judea, Israel, of all the Kingdoms, He was the King of Kings,

    Ezra 1:2
    Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me ALL the kingdoms of the earth

    He also unified Canaan, into one province, forming the base for the mythical united Kingdom of Judea and Israel of David, Solomon that you write about.

    God did not choose Cyrus, rather, Cyrus was God ( Κύρῳ > κύριος)
    No wonder κύριος substitutes LORD in the Septuagint and New Testament,
     
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    I must say that I have never encountered anyone besides you that has the pagan king Cyrus as their messiah and god.
     
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    Besides Isaiah?
     
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