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Featured The Bible and the Unborn

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jul 6, 2022.

  1. Fool

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    should the OT and/or NT be changed to reflect the rights of the unborn? Spirits?
     
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  3. Seeker of White Light

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    If the anti-choicers want a Bible that actually condemns abortion, then sure: they ought to revise the Bible so that it actually condemns abortion.
     
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    It already does.
    No need for any changes.
     
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  6. Fool

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    no it doesn't.

    jesus doesn't even speak on it and we know from historical writings that abortions were being carried out
     
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    God was appalled when his people sacrificed thier children to moloch.
    God said when he formed us in the womb he already knew us.
    Jesus said if you hurt a child you should be drowned.
    You are just flat wrong.
     
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    how do you know your god? have you ever met it? talked to it face to face like jacob? is it something you can take a picture of? is it something you can introduce to another person and they see it, hear it, respond to it?
     
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    these were human children that had been born. otherwise the israelites would have been offering aborted sheep, cattle, goat fetuses.
     
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    According to Numbers 5:11–31, if a husband suspected his pregnant wife of adultery but there were no witnesses, then he would bring her before the priest to be tested in order to determine if she was guilty of adultery. She was brought "before the Lord" and required to drink bitter water, which contained ink and dust from the tabernacle floor. Before she drank this toxic water, the priest would write down the accusations against her and then wash the ink off in the water. It was believed that if she had guilty of adultery, then her stomach would swell and she would miscarry. If she was innocent, then nothing would happen and she would be free to go.

    According to Exodus 21:22–25, if two people were fighting and one of them accidentally hit a pregnant woman and she miscarried, then the person who hit her was required to pay whatever the woman’s husband demanded and the court allowed. But if the woman was seriously injured and she died, then it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. The court decided that it was a property crime if the pregnant woman miscarried, but it was murder if she died, and the person responsible for her death was also killed.

    As evidenced by the two biblical passages cited, the God of the Bible not only sanctioned an abortion and a miscarriage, but he also ordered the slaughter of Amalekite infants and children (1 Samuel 15:2-3). And there is also Psalm 137:9, which says, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks," and there was the global flood, where God kills every living person on earth (including children, infants, and the unborn), with the exception of Noah, his wife, and his sons. If the Bible is accurate, then I think it's obvious to see by these examples I've provided that the Christian God is definitely not pro-life. Quite the opposite, IMO.
     
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    It doesnt need to be changed as it already upholds the rights of the unborn.
     
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    Where? You are probably misinterpreting it again.
     
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    They already did that. Get a Bible from before Roe v Wade. Exodus 21 22-23 used to use the word "miscarriage". After Roe v Wade it was rewritten to imply that the woman gave birth early.
     
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    Why do you think it is not yet so?
     
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    Besides the verses I mentioned? Well, there is the Test of an Unfaithful Wife.
     
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    Changing a spiritual scripture is wrong. They are written so humans change according to the scriptures and the other way around.

    Changing a scripture to fit the people would mean the scriptures are no longer from God.
     
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    Wait, you seem to have contradicted yourself.
     
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    No I have always said its wrong to take a scripture and let normal people change it so it fit them.
    The only people capable of doing those things are prophets and enlighten beings.

    If you or I tried to change a religious scripture we would damage it and destroy it just by changing one word.
     
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    Scriptures appear to always be from man.
     
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    I believe they are from God through a prophet or messenger
     
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