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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Starlight, Nov 22, 2022.

  1. Starlight

    Starlight Well-Known Member

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    I do not believe in the trinity.
    But now i will wrote what is the best argument for the trinity (in my opinion):

    God is love

    For God to be love you need Lover, Beloved and Love. So God the father is the Lover, Jesus the son is the Beloved and the Holy spirit is the Love between the father and Jesus

    So God has to be three persons to be Love.
     
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    That is the worst argument for the trinity... It still falls to the biggest problem that Christians have with the Trinity, and that is the notion of polytheism. That is the only problem (inherently), is that a trinity archetype is incompatible (or at the very least unconventional) with monotheism.
     
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    the generator is the father. the son is all that is begotten, the spirit is love for what was begotten. acts 17:28

    jesus is the first begotten because he was originally adam. 1 corinthians 15:45
     
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    only to a non pantheist is it a problem.


    the mind, body, spirit complex is understood by others as the beginning of all things.

    the naassene didn't have a problem with it


    And these three men (the Naassene) says, are in the habit of speaking (through Jesus) at the same time together, each from their own proper substances to those peculiarly their own. For, according to these, there are three kinds of all existent things-angelic, psychical, earthly; and there are three churches-angelic, psychical, earthly; and the names of these are elect, called, captive.
     
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    Despite agreeing with you that I do not believe in the holy trinity either.

    Your argument for why there is one is not good. If you want to make an argument you should support it with verses from the bible, otherwise, it is just gibberish :)
     
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    God apart from me.
    God a part of me.
    And God as you-and-me.
     
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    Does anyone actually believe that God IS love, that is he consists of love? Love is not a material thing that one can be made of. What I think is meant, and I'm open to correction, is that love is something that God has to a great measure. That is he is very loving. I have no trouble with that definition, though the truth of it is debatable, as far as some conceptions of God go anyway.

    On the Trinity, I don't really care how people envisage God, but I have never heard an explanation as to how God can be three persons and one simultaneously that made sense to me. I'll listen if anyone wants to try again.
     
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    No, it really isn't. I'm not a pantheist, and I can make sense of a divine trinity - even the manner in which the Christians present it. For the Christian trinity there are three persons: Father, Son, and Spirit. The Father being God as the ur-deity that presides over all creation. The Son being God as inhabiting mortal form. The Spirit being God present within all things. All regarded as separate, yet "one". Much in the same way that a trinity-goddess is Maid, Mother, and Crone; three distinct beings of the same godhead. The struggle that Christian theology has is that they treat the godhead as a person, rather than a station, and try to mash all of these persons into the same person like a deity inflicted with BPD.
     
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    Why Borderline personality disorder? Do you mean DID or Dissociative Identity Disorder?
     
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    It doesn’t seem to far fetched if you think of God as a force rather than a material being
     
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    I did, yes. Thank you
     
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    You're going to have to expand on that. ;)
     
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    Hmm. Imagine the force of Love as God? That’s the best way I can think to explain it
     
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    Which kind of love?
     
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    Yes he is love. Just because you can't understand it doesn't change it.
    If the Trinity made sense in our feeble minds it wouldn't be indicative of an all powerful, incomprehensible Being.
     
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    It's not that I don't understand it. The words don't make sense. It's like saying "I am happiness", rather than "I am happy".

    I would accept "God is loving" or some such words.

    So you actually don't understand it. I have no problem with that, I don't either. But you did, I thought, claim to be able to explain it. Weren't you suggesting that God being a force of love or similar explained the Trinity?
     
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    Nope that wasn't me. And the official view of the Trinity in Christianity doesn't attempt to explain how it's possible as far as I know.

    The trinity, simply put, refers to God being One person, but existing in three coexisting, coeternal, cosubstantial persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are distinctive, and connect with us meaningfully in different ways, but they are One.
     
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    Three. A number. Life isn't a number.

    But if you must protect a human living position you say one...a word not a number.

    One species human our own.

    Yet mutual human isn't equal human as I've got a penis the woman doesn't. So I misquote and said one is two.

    It wasn't.

    As a theist I preached....preaching is false I said to all humans.

    So I contradict myself.

    I quote all hosts support my life a man adult is a father by sex yet I'm a baby son too...two...via three.

    It's just preaching honour your whole life....don't pretend it's dead even though first ever human father is dead in reality.

    Trinity a false preaching as I already confessed false preaching is theisms...wrong don't do it.. yet I had to preach a teaching.
     
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    God is a Spirit. Your argument is defeated.
     
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    In human only theories. We speak. We use human words said by a human.

    Human consciousness.

    In science God a gas status is spirit.

    Earth is God. Rock. Spinning in space once O G spiral of O. O heated core DD...back to O. Cooling G O D explained. Creator entity planet.

    Space cooling spin of mass forms gases on the outer. Spirit.

    In heavens above we say it's gods heaven. As spirit gases in clouds angels of God spin cooling motion O as God in heavens.

    We look at animals they love babies each other.

    We see humans they love babies and each other.

    Humans see love being expressed not just one self owned.

    Consciousness animals humans with gods laws spirit gases present bodily is a subject. Supportive of love behaviour.

    We love each other naturally first.

    It gets removed by satanic machine liars scientists. Humans.

    We stop being loving a teaching.

    Why self destructive biology DNA removed emerged in the sin life of new born babies as life sacrificed. Not loving. Chemical behaviour removed in biology.

    The warning human to human. GOD changes so does life and love.

    One.
     
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