The same way any science would; evidence and logic. Experiment and deduction are the most effective means of learning and creation.
The same process that hundreds of thousands of results demonstrate evolution is a real and natural phenomenon. So given you accept the process, you now accept the results of this process all through the sciences, including evolution, yes?
Be aware that you cannot have it both ways. You can't describe an objective process as a way to make true conclusions, but have an exemption for one phenomenon, and a phenomenon that just happens to be a big burr under the saddle of conservative Christians.
...And biologists are the guys in ivory towers who can't consider anything that doesn't accept their assumptions.
So that's it, you are envious of experts in biology for all their success, and you have none for your beliefs. Well it takes education and ethical work.
...Only to the satisfaction of those who already share their beliefs.
Experimenters satisfy the rules set out to require the fewest possible assumptions, account for all the data, and use facts when applicable. There is no social standard to what science requires in experimentation.
What they actually need to demonstrate is that it makes accurate predictions and no other theory makes better prediction.
No, it's not a science fair competition. I take it you have no understanding how science works. I'd love to give you a high school science test and check your answers. The predictions in an experiment have to be very specific. The hypothesis can refer to other theories as part of how it is designed, along with relevant facts.
I believe my theory makes much better prediction.
I'm new to the thread and there's about 1400 posts, so give me a few sentences of what your HYPOTHESIS (you don't have a theory yet, you haven't earned it. Look up what a hypothesis is, and what it must do BEFORE it is a theory) states. And let me, and perhaps a few others, give us our two cents about your prediction. I'm super curious.
I have great respect for experience. While it means little in science in the real world it is as important as experiment to every individual. But people still choose their own beliefs, experience reality in terms of their beliefs, and in time become their beliefs. Look at my assumptions again and you'll see this has happened to me as well.
Well, disciplined minds can choose their own beliefs. Most beliefs of the average person are formed in the subconscious through life experiences. Most people end up believing in ideas without any actual awareness or deliberation.
My contention is that my beliefs are more accurate than the beliefs of biologists because there is no such thing as "survival of the fittest".
That's bold. Your example of the peppered moth is a classic example of evolution and fitness being the factor that favored them. So we can say your belief is absurd since fitness is exactly what breeders use when they are creating an animal to perform certain tasks, or look a certain way, or behave a certain way. Plants have been pollenated a certain way, or gene engineered, to be more "fit" for the environment. This is a deliberate selection. In nature the selection is governed by the circumstances of the weather and environment. Species can go extinct because the environment becomes too harsh, and there is no fitness that can survive. This is all covered in 7th grade science class.
The one exception you have is humans and many bred animals. We have manipulated our environments to a degree that humans don't need to be fit to survive. Nor do many of our pets. Ever see a pug? Cute as hell, but no way it would survive in the wild. It's not fit.
Oh sure. It's far better to let crazy people walk the streets committing crimes or rot in a prison's solitary confinement than to keep them in a loony bin and tend to their needs.
Well modern America has closed most institutions and there is a real lack of mental health care of any type. Most mentally ill end up in prisons where they seldom get adequate care. But this topic is irrelevant.
We have jumped the shark. We release murderers and lock up the accused. We have laws against everything and enforce them against a select group of individuals. If you're wealthy there are no laws at all and if somebody accidently catches you then a few well greased palms will solve all your problems. The world gets stupider and crazier every single day because of all the settled science. Commo0n sense no longer exists at all.
These are political issues, nothing to do with science.
Yes, of course not. My point is that if one Peer is wrong then they all are.
By "peers" you mean experts in biology, yes? And what you think they are wrong about is evolution, yes?
And you have to be very, very specific about what you are talking about. For example germ theory was shown to be a real and natural phenomenon and scientists read the papers and accepted the results. No doubt there were a few hold outs because people become attached to what they believe and can't let it go. Today all scientists accept that microorganisms exist and cause infection.
Evolution is a pretty simple concept, but there is a massive list of what makes it work, from chemistry to cosmology. Every part of it has to work for evolution to be real. Scientists can be wrong about how one small element works, but evolution still works. And scientists adjust their understanding. You have yet to provide anything I've seen that would overturn a process like evolution.
Where is the ability to predict. Predict what squirrels will look like in a million years and then show you are right. The theory is nonsense.
I can't predict what they'll look like because it is dependent on events that haven't happened yet. But I know exactly when they'll change; right after almost all of them die in an event that selects for behavior and not for "fitness" (which isn't even real).
You're right because there is no way to predict with so many unknowns. This isn't science. You mean speculation. If you want to make sound predictions you need to account for the variables. That's how science shows its work.
I'm sorry change in species is so complicated but this is the nature of all of reality. Reality is a manifestation of logic. While all logic is simple reality is the interplay of all of it occurring at once. I'm sorry reality is so complex that we've only begun to understand its nature but this is the cross we bear if we want to understand and predict. I'm sorry science has yet to even discover this framework of nature and this is why we believe there are an infinite number of pyramids built with an infinite number of ramps. Ouija board science indeed.
Thank god we have experts in biology to explain it to us. You should listen to them.
