The Animal that the Great White Shark fears the most.

[Twilight Hue]

Turns Out There's Another Ocean Creature That Scares The Hell Out of Great White Sharks

Great white. Total Knockout

Orcas. Da winner as Apex preditor of the oceans and seas.

 

[Secret Chief]

Great white sharks are decreasing in numbers (WWF) and are classed as Vulnerable (extinction risk category) by the IUCN, primarily because of human activity (eg habitat loss, non-shark over-fishing, trophy hunting). They should fear humans the most.

"The most profound enemies of the white shark are human beings."
- white shark | Size, Diet, Habitat, & Facts
- Encyclopedia Britannica.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Orcas are pretty cool animals.

 

[Eyes to See]

Orcas are also known as killer whales. They are actually dolphins!

A friend of my wife had a husband who was a fisherman. He lost his life last year to a great white. They are not usually seen in the Sea of Cortez. It was a great tragedy. He was diving to collect shells from the seabed and he immediately was pulling on his cord to be pulled up. The men in the boat with him hauled him up and half his body was missing. He died before they reached shore.

 

[Revoltingest]

Orcs are easily defeated by men, dwarves, & elves.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Orcas are pretty cool animals.

They are. I tend to think of the possibility of animals like this as being the next in line for sentience. Maybe even before primates with the obvious exception.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Turns Out There's Another Ocean Creature That Scares The Hell Out of Great White Sharks

Great white. Total Knockout

Orcas. Da winner as Apex preditor of the oceans and seas.

Of course they'll best a shark. Orcas are extremely intelligent mammals and great whites are just big fish.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course they'll best a shark. Orcas are extremely intelligent mammals and great whites are just big fish.

Indeed.

 

[Brickjectivity]

They are. I tend to think of the possibility of animals like this as being the next in line for sentience. Maybe even before primates with the obvious exception.

By means of human tech or by separate evolution? I don't think it'll happen by itself.

 

[columbus]

By means of human tech or by separate evolution? I don't think it'll happen by itself.

How likely or predictable was humans developing sentience from our primate ancestors?
Maybe our version of "intelligence" isn't particularly impressive or durable, and God has plans that don't include our species.


Oh well. Maybe we exist to Create the conditions for a higher, more godly, form of experience and existence.
So far, that theory is better evidenced than Heaven.
Tom

 

[Brickjectivity]

How likely or predictable was humans developing sentience from our primate ancestors?
Maybe our version of "intelligence" isn't particularly impressive or durable, and God has plans that don't include our species.


Oh well. Maybe we exist to Create the conditions for a higher, more godly, form of experience and existence.
So far, that theory is better evidenced than Heaven.
Tom

Tom, suspend judgment and consider this idea. I think our intelligence is a self complimenting, self referential device; so I don't think it can be improved upon. God's intelligence on the other hand (which is theoretical) is probably passionless in our frame of reference. For you or I it would probably seem pointless. It would be like sitting on ice while trying to appreciate daisies. I'd be thinking about my cold butt. Yeah God would be smarter though.

An orca that we helped to think would be a lot like us and share most of our limitations I think.

 

[Secret Chief]

They are. I tend to think of the possibility of animals like this as being the next in line for sentience. Maybe even before primates with the obvious exception.

Not sure what you mean here? Animals have sentience.

"According to the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness (publicly proclaimed on 7 July 2012 at the Cambridge University) .... Sponges, placozoans, and mesozoans, with simple body plans and no nervous system, are the only members of the animal kingdom that possess no sentience."

- Sentience - Wikipedia

 

[Eyes to See]

Not sure what you mean here? Animals have sentience.

"According to the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness (publicly proclaimed on 7 July 2012 at the Cambridge University) .... Sponges, placozoans, and mesozoans, with simple body plans and no nervous system, are the only members of the animal kingdom that possess no sentience."

- Sentience - Wikipedia

A sentient being is one that has self-awareness.

"Having sense perception; conscious."

 

[Father Heathen]

A sentient being is one that has self-awareness.

"Having sense perception; conscious."

They're not automatons.

 

[Secret Chief]

A sentient being is one that has self-awareness.

"Having sense perception; conscious."

Yes, as that same entry says:

"The prevailing scientific view today is that sentience is generated by specialized neural structures and processes – neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological."

 

[Secret Chief]

By means of human tech or by separate evolution? I don't think it'll happen by itself.

They are already sentient!

 

[Secret Chief]

An orca that we helped to think

What do you mean? An orca can already think - it has a large brain, it is a highly intelligent mammal, a dolphin, it lives in a complex society (comparable to elephants), they can work out problems.........etc etc

 

[Brickjectivity]

They are already sentient!

Excuse me. I forgot that they used the term 'Sentient'. Mice are sentient, so it doesn't confer that much intelligence.

What do you mean? An orca can already think - it has a large brain, it is a highly intelligent mammal, a dolphin, it lives in a complex society (comparable to elephants), they can work out problems.........etc etc

I'm not saying that orcas ought to be enhanced, but they would need to be enhanced to learn a lot of things. An orca can think, yes; but an orca does not communicate with us. It may be intelligent living in a society "Comparable to elephants," yet with our influence it could also be able to communicate with us about our ideas and share its own. It might be enabled to learn Earth's History and to be curious about its own History. Thought is not transferable, but words are. Towards that, an orca is not able.

 

[Valjean]

How likely or predictable was humans developing sentience from our primate ancestors?
Maybe our version of "intelligence" isn't particularly impressive or durable, and God has plans that don't include our species.


Oh well. Maybe we exist to Create the conditions for a higher, more godly, form of experience and existence.
So far, that theory is better evidenced than Heaven.
Tom

Our primate ancestors were sentient, so is my cat. Her sapience, on the other hand, is questionable. She's a real goofball.

 

[Secret Chief]

Mice are sentient, so it doesn't confer that much intelligence.

Sentience is a prerequisite for any intelligence.

they would need to be enhanced to learn a lot of things.

To what end? In their given environment they have learnt (as a species) all they need to.

an orca does not communicate with us

Of course not, humans and orcas have different communication systems.

might be enabled to learn Earth's History and to be curious about its own History.

That seems completely anthropomorphic.