The alt right should pay the medical bills

[metis]

And VERY expensive. The cost approaches half of the annual provincial budget.

But it's still less than here in the States whereas it is 17% of GDP here but only 11% in Canada: National Health Expenditures: How much does Canada spend on health care? | CIHI

And don't ever get the delusion it's an unlimited paradise.

I don't, but I have yet to meet a single Canadian who would prefer what we have here in the States.

As for history, it wasn't quite a "doctor" (I suspect you're thinking MD) that created the system. The man had a doctorate, but not in medicine - it was in theology. Tommy Douglas was a Baptist minister before taking to politics.

Thanks for the correction as I obviously confused as to what his ph.d. was in. For others, more on him: Tommy Douglas - Wikipedia

 

[YmirGF]

But it's still less than here in the States whereas it is 17% of GDP here but only 11% in Canada: National Health Expenditures: How much does Canada spend on health care? | CIHI

I don't, but I have yet to meet a single Canadian who would prefer what we have here in the States.

Thanks for the correction as I obviously confused as to what his ph.d. was in. For others, more on him: Tommy Douglas - Wikipedia

Well, this Canadian grouch has nothing but praise for our health care system. I just had surgery a month ago, after being on a waiting list to correct my umbilical hernia for two years. Though it was a long wait, it was hardly a life threatening condition and when my number came up the hospital staff was extremely professional and my followup the other day with the specialist was also great. Out of pocket cost? Zippo... because I've already paid via my taxes over the years when I have never used the health services.

Likewise, when my mom was in palliative care, the support staff was nothing short of remarkable. Top notch.

From my perspective there is something highly unethical about running medical care as a business, as is the case the the USA.
And no, I'd never want to have a system like that of my dear American friends.

In regards to the OP it should be noted that sniffing solvents can lead to brain damage.

 

[metis]

Well, this Canadian grouch has nothing but praise for our health care system. I just had surgery a month ago, after being on a waiting list to correct my umbilical hernia for two years. Though it was a long wait, it was hardly a life threatening condition and when my number came up the hospital staff was extremely professional and my followup the other day with the specialist was also great. Out of pocket cost? Zippo... because I've already paid via my taxes over the years when I have never used the health services.

Likewise, when my mom was in palliative care, the support staff was nothing short of remarkable. Top notch.

From my perspective there is something highly unethical about running medical care as a business, as is the case the the USA.
And no, I'd never want to have a system like that of my dear American friends.

And this is what I have heard over and over again from many Canadians, and I agree.

BTW, ever see Michael Moore's documentary "Sicko"? If you haven't, let me just say that it's excellent, imo.

 

[UpperLimits]

But it's still less than here in the States whereas it is 17% of GDP here but only 11% in Canada

But somebody who has the coverage gets a pretty quick hospital stay - don't they? Up here, for example, if you have gall stones and can't work because of the pain, you still face a 6-8 month wait. Only if your situation becomes acute do you get bumped up in the line. And isn't free care (or limited cost) already available at most city hospitals, rather than the private ones?

I don't, but I have yet to meet a single Canadian who would prefer what we have here in the States.

Contrary to what you may have heard, there is a significant number of us who would prefer to at least have the option of a private alternative.

Thanks for the correction as I obviously confused as to what his ph.d. was in. For others, more on him: Tommy Douglas - Wikipedia

No problem. Glad to help.

 

[UpperLimits]

after being on a waiting list to correct my umbilical hernia for two years.

My point, exactly.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Alt-right ain't a group buddy and I ain't paying your medical bills

 

[metis]

But somebody who has the coverage gets a pretty quick hospital stay - don't they? Up here, for example, if you have gall stones and can't work because of the pain, you still face a 6-8 month wait. Only if your situation becomes acute do you get bumped up in the line. And isn't free care (or limited cost) already available at most city hospitals, rather than the private ones?

But one major problem you have is largely one of demographics, whereas 90% of your population lives in only the lower 10% of the land mass, yet even small communities in the north need doctors, nurses, medical equipment, etc. We don't have that problem here anywhere near what you have with the exception of the north and interior of Alaska.

Contrary to what you may have heard, there is a significant number of us who would prefer to at least have the option of a private alternative.

I thought you could get some supplemental insurance on your own?

No system is perfect, but at least where you live no one goes through personal bankruptcy primarily because of medical bills like 70-80% of personal bankruptcies here in the States involve.

Also, I have not yet met a Canadian that would rather have our medical system than yours. How about you? You could be my first.

 

[UpperLimits]

I thought you could get some supplemental insurance on your own?

Not for actual medical services. Only drug coverage and a few optional benefits like upgrading your room service for your stay.

Also, I have not yet met a Canadian that would rather have our medical system than yours. How about you? You could be my first.

If it were ever offered, I'd have to take an honest looksy in order to make that decision.

 

[metis]

Not for actual medical services. Only drug coverage and a few optional benefits like upgrading your room service for your stay.

Thanks for the clarification. Also, it is my understanding that one can buy supplemental insurance if traveling to another country, especially a 3rd-world country like the U.S.

If it were ever offered, I'd have to take an honest looksy in order to make that decision.

If you adopt ours, better have LOTS of $$$-- you'll need it.

 

[UpperLimits]

Thanks for the clarification. Also, it is my understanding that one can buy supplemental insurance if traveling to another country, especially a 3rd-world country like the U.S.

LOL. 3rd-world eh??

Yes, Travel insurance is a must. They wont pay a wooden nickel for care out of Canada unless they authorize it in advance. If you do happen to wind up in a hospital, they "may" fly you home if it looks like it might be in for a longer stay - but you'll get the bill for the private medical flight. Trust me, if you haven't had a heart attack by then, you will when that bill comes in the mail. But you are basically 100% responsible for any medical costs abroad.

Back in the days when I was still young and stupid, I took a few trips to the states without it. Thank God nothing ever happened. Not much has changed since then... except I've gotten older.... Truth be told though, technically I'm not even covered if I go out of my own province, but still remain within Canada. However, the provinces do at least have reciprocal agreements to care for each other's patients and return them home ASAP.

 

[metis]

If you do happen to wind up in a hospital, they "may" fly you home if it looks like it might be in for a longer stay - but you'll get the bill for the private medical flight. Trust me, if you haven't had a heart attack by then, you will when that bill comes in the mail. But you are basically 100% responsible for any medical costs abroad.

This must have changed somewhere along the line then.

About 30 years ago, a close friend of mine and his wife wanted to go camping at Wawa Provincial Park on the eastern shore of Lake Superior, and he called me to find out what he should do because his wife was pregnant and she delivered prematurely before. I told him that it would be best if he called Canadian Customs and find out for himself.

They told him that if she started in with premature labor they should go to the field office and that they would order a medical helicopter to fly he and his wife to Toronto. He asked what that would cost him, and the official asked if he had any insurance, and my friend said they did. The official said that they would bill his insurance company.

Out of curiosity, my friend then asked who would happen if he didn't have insurance, and the officer said that they (Canadian or provincial government-- I don't know which) would cover at least most of that bill.

So, something must have changed between then and now.

 

[UpperLimits]

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So, something must have changed between then and now.

Not really. The country has always held this position. Although they used to have a bit more heart. Now it's just being run by more bureaucratic machines than humans.

 

[UpperLimits]

This must have ... changed between then and now.

Here's some new information for you. This report was just published by the Frazer Institute. (This is a well respected, somewhat left leaning, think tank based in Canada)

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2017.pdf

If "free" medical services are so great, you have to ask WHY this is happening.

 

[metis]

If "free" medical services are so great, you have to ask WHY this is happening.

This has already been discussed, including and why this is sometimes the case.

But I gotta deal for ya: you take our system here in the States and I'll take your Canadian system, and they we'll see who complains the most. I have yet to meet a Canadian who would take this deal, so you have the opportunity to be #1.

 

[VioletVortex]

I agree with a few alt-right ideals, however as a whole, I hate the movement because it is mostly comprised of civic nationalism and based in trends created by the 'civic nationalists'. There's no point in civic nationalism, as citizenship is arbitrary.

I am more in line with the mainstream conservatives being forced to pay the medical expenses.

 

[UpperLimits]

This has already been discussed, including and why this is sometimes the case.

But I gotta deal for ya: you take our system here in the States and I'll take your Canadian system, and they we'll see who complains the most. I have yet to meet a Canadian who would take this deal, so you have the opportunity to be #1.

If it were technically possible, I'd love to be #1.

Personally, I'd sooner go out of the cave, and kill something, and then drag it home; than to be spoon fed my pablum from cradle to grave by a near communist controlled government which controls my every thought, even to the point of telling me what I can think and speak without being threatened with jail time. You simply do not realize the value of what you are trying to give up.

 

[Valjean]

If it were technically possible, I'd love to be #1.

Personally, I'd sooner go out of the cave, and kill something, and then drag it home; than to be spoon fed my pablum from cradle to grave by a near communist controlled government which controls my every thought, even to the point of telling me what I can think and speak without being threatened with jail time. You simply do not realize the value of what you are trying to give up.

You're conflating co-operation and "socialist" policies with repression and thought control. This is ridiculous propaganda.
Everyone working together for the general prosperity will give you a happier, more secure life than dog-eat-dog competition.

 

[metis]

If it were technically possible, I'd love to be #1.

Then you must be very wealthy. My son has to pay over $20,000 per year for health care even though he only makes roughly $60,000 per year.

Personally, I'd sooner go out of the cave, and kill something, and then drag it home; than to be spoon fed my pablum from cradle to grave by a near communist controlled government which controls my every thought, even to the point of telling me what I can think and speak without being threatened with jail time. You simply do not realize the value of what you are trying to give up.

Well, you must live a very remote part of "Canada" because you are simply the very first Canadian whom I've talked with on this who has claimed such a thing.

I spend a great deal of time each year in Canada (it's a 20 minute drive from where we live, plus we get Canadian t.v. and radio), plus we almost moved there in the early '70's, so I do keep track of things in general. I know for a fact that the designer of your health-care plan is a very popular figure there.

 

[UpperLimits]

You're conflating co-operation and "socialist" policies with repression and thought control. This is ridiculous propaganda.
Everyone working together for the general prosperity will give you a happier, more secure life than dog-eat-dog competition.

In theory..... Practice however shows that socialists who get into power, use repression and thought control - and then call it "ridiculous propaganda."

Besides, history has shown that the American way of capitalism (or the "dog-eat-dog competition") has already produced the most wealthy society that has ever existed on the face of the planet. It is also the ONLY method of economics that is actually successful at lifting people out of their poverty. That is what I call success.

Socialism OTOH, has a 100% track record of complete failure every where it's been tried. So far, 168 countries have tried it to various degrees. And each one has either failed, or is fast headed in the direction of economic oblivion. Yet, each leftist firmly believes that THEY will be the smart ones, who actually "do it right" this time!!

 

[UpperLimits]

Well, you must live a very remote part of "Canada" because you are simply the very first Canadian whom I've talked with on this who has claimed such a thing..

No. I just see where this country is headed - and I DON'T like it.