I automatically assume that people online with female anime avatars are psychopathic male trolls and ignore accordingly. It's never steered me wrong before.With the anime avatar you knew it would be a neckbeardtastic post.
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I automatically assume that people online with female anime avatars are psychopathic male trolls and ignore accordingly. It's never steered me wrong before.With the anime avatar you knew it would be a neckbeardtastic post.
I knew I exaggerated with trecillion, but just loved the word. So, only 613 in Leviticus. Now I understand why some choose NT over OT.With 613 Levitical laws in the OT to adhere to, their god is a punitive law maker.
So what exactly is the problem?
Well, there's theories:
-On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like. Which means I'll skip to the meat of it:
- Awhile back, the Episcopal church voted to split over gay marriage. They became Anglican and Episcopalian. Then Methodists voted against, but wound up being forced to split anyway. Let's read Genesis, with of course those offensive words like 'man' and 'woman' changed to person.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate. " It's not relevant who is the husband and who is the wife (but from previous threads, you'll note that I do not believe in two parties working or two parties raising children, one cannot work in terms of the child, the other fails economically). What is relevant is the attempt to divide the church. God has married the church, united it, and people should not be voting to split.
-There's also the fact that this whole thing smacks of government intervention, specifically a secular system trying to impose Obama era rules on a public who would rather go to church to worship.
-Oh yeah and there's also the classic arguments that it's calling something sinful morally good, or a gateway drug to other odd behavior, or that it ignores the actual meaning of marriage (which is not for couples but for families, though I could contend this last one would be fine if gays could adopt more easily). But Ibthink these are secondary to the two real issues.
If God has an issue with Gay people getting married, then he’s perfectly free to let us all know personally. I have yet to hear him object though.So what exactly is the problem?
Well, there's theories:
-On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like. Which means I'll skip to the meat of it:
- Awhile back, the Episcopal church voted to split over gay marriage. They became Anglican and Episcopalian. Then Methodists voted against, but wound up being forced to split anyway. Let's read Genesis, with of course those offensive words like 'man' and 'woman' changed to person.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate. " It's not relevant who is the husband and who is the wife (but from previous threads, you'll note that I do not believe in two parties working or two parties raising children, one cannot work in terms of the child, the other fails economically). What is relevant is the attempt to divide the church. God has married the church, united it, and people should not be voting to split.
-There's also the fact that this whole thing smacks of government intervention, specifically a secular system trying to impose Obama era rules on a public who would rather go to church to worship.
-Oh yeah and there's also the classic arguments that it's calling something sinful morally good, or a gateway drug to other odd behavior, or that it ignores the actual meaning of marriage (which is not for couples but for families, though I could contend this last one would be fine if gays could adopt more easily). But Ibthink these are secondary to the two real issues.
That is quite the nice choir sermon there, but what does it have to do with the OP?The tools that will demolish the modern civilization in my opinion
1) secularism and bowing of the Judism and church to anti-religion storms, Islam still stands fast against all odds to bring it down or to mutate it on false allegations of terrorism, atavistic and so on .., It is still pristine as revealed to Muhammed the prophet regarding religious guidance on worshipping and the Dos and the Don`ts.
2) weird sexuality
3) atheism
4) religious extremism
3 & 4 are the main plights of of our time (troubled world with no ethics and multi-faceted injustice with jungle laws). A massive destructive war is looming, and I hope I am wrong with this prophesy. Dostoevsky said: If there is no God, then every thing can be legalized. Bush invaded Iraq falsely to dismantle Saddam from his weapons of mass destruction. Trump who is opennly frank said he wants the oil.
The UN can not even codemn for once in history the Israelis for the atrocities they commit in Philistine, the Hindu government in India issue a strange law against Muslims causing unruly rest with strange silence from most countries, Minorities all over the world are oppressed .Very Heinous UN, only successful to twist the arms of poor countries on a gesture from the bully guys. Things under secular liberty are so miserable and pessimistic. The advent of the Massiah (peace be upon him) is looming to launch the war against all this havoc. Voices of wise men and women need to be louder now for a better life for every single soul in this world and the whole environment. If UN is to lead the world, its legislations and stances need to be reviewed. Freedom of ceed and respect of sanctities is a right for every one on bases of wise democratic principles.
So what exactly is the problem?
Well, there's theories:
-On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like. Which means I'll skip to the meat of it:
- Awhile back, the Episcopal church voted to split over gay marriage. They became Anglican and Episcopalian. Then Methodists voted against, but wound up being forced to split anyway. Let's read Genesis, with of course those offensive words like 'man' and 'woman' changed to person.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate. " It's not relevant who is the husband and who is the wife (but from previous threads, you'll note that I do not believe in two parties working or two parties raising children, one cannot work in terms of the child, the other fails economically). What is relevant is the attempt to divide the church. God has married the church, united it, and people should not be voting to split.
-There's also the fact that this whole thing smacks of government intervention, specifically a secular system trying to impose Obama era rules on a public who would rather go to church to worship.
-Oh yeah and there's also the classic arguments that it's calling something sinful morally good, or a gateway drug to other odd behavior, or that it ignores the actual meaning of marriage (which is not for couples but for families, though I could contend this last one would be fine if gays could adopt more easily). But Ibthink these are secondary to the two real issues.
Except in Tibet, where it was the other way around.The true meaning of marriage is one man and as many women as he could afford.
So what exactly is the problem?
Well, there's theories:
-On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like. Which means I'll skip to the meat of it:
- Awhile back, the Episcopal church voted to split over gay marriage. They became Anglican and Episcopalian. Then Methodists voted against, but wound up being forced to split anyway. Let's read Genesis, with of course those offensive words like 'man' and 'woman' changed to person.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate. " It's not relevant who is the husband and who is the wife (but from previous threads, you'll note that I do not believe in two parties working or two parties raising children, one cannot work in terms of the child, the other fails economically). What is relevant is the attempt to divide the church. God has married the church, united it, and people should not be voting to split.
-There's also the fact that this whole thing smacks of government intervention, specifically a secular system trying to impose Obama era rules on a public who would rather go to church to worship.
-Oh yeah and there's also the classic arguments that it's calling something sinful morally good, or a gateway drug to other odd behavior, or that it ignores the actual meaning of marriage (which is not for couples but for families, though I could contend this last one would be fine if gays could adopt more easily). But Ibthink these are secondary to the two real issues.
The tools that will demolish the modern civilization in my opinion
1) secularism and bowing of the Judism and church to anti-religion storms, Islam still stands fast against all odds to bring it down or to mutate it on false allegations of terrorism, atavistic and so on .., It is still pristine as revealed to Muhammed the prophet regarding religious guidance on worshipping and the Dos and the Don`ts.
2) weird sexuality
3) atheism
4) religious extremism
3 & 4 are the main plights of of our time (troubled world with no ethics and multi-faceted injustice with jungle laws). A massive destructive war is looming, and I hope I am wrong with this prophesy. Dostoevsky said: If there is no God, then every thing can be legalized. Bush invaded Iraq falsely to dismantle Saddam from his weapons of mass destruction. Trump who is opennly frank said he wants the oil.
The UN can not even codemn for once in history the Israelis for the atrocities they commit in Philistine, the Hindu government in India issue a strange law against Muslims causing unruly rest with strange silence from most countries, Minorities all over the world are oppressed .Very Heinous UN, only successful to twist the arms of poor countries on a gesture from the bully guys. Things under secular liberty are so miserable and pessimistic. The advent of the Massiah (peace be upon him) is looming to launch the war against all this havoc. Voices of wise men and women need to be louder now for a better life for every single soul in this world and the whole environment. If UN is to lead the world, its legislations and stances need to be reviewed. Freedom of ceed and respect of sanctities is a right for every one on bases of wise democratic principles.
You would think that with over 500 sects of Christianity everyone could just find one they liked instead of making more new ones.The debate that's going on within the church right now isn't really about gay marriage. That issue is just the spark of the moment. The real debate is about whether or not the church is going to dictate to the individuals within it what is right before God, or whether the individuals within the church are going to determine for themselves what is right before God. It's not a struggle about gay rights, it's a struggle about individual autonomy vs. church authority. And there is no 'right' or 'wrong' side of this particular debate. There are just people who come to different conclusions about church authority, vs. individual autonomy. And that's why the schism is occurring. And it's why the schism was inevitable, and why it probably should occur. It's a fundamental difference of opinion regarding one's relationship to their church, of such significance that it calls for two very different expressions of church organization.
The Law was written in a different culture, by a different people, for a different religion. Their cultural mores were far different from ours. The text condemns an act, but not an orientation.
1) secularism
and bowing of the Judism and church to anti-religion storms, Islam still stands fast against all odds to bring it down or to mutate it on false allegations of terrorism, atavistic and so on .., It is still pristine as revealed to Muhammed the prophet regarding religious guidance on worshipping and the Dos and the Don`ts.
2) weird sexuality
4) religious extremism
3 & 4 are the main plights of of our time
Dostoevsky said: If there is no God, then every thing can be legalized
Bush invaded Iraq falsely to dismantle Saddam from his weapons of mass destruction.
Trump who is opennly frank said he wants the oil.
The UN can not even codemn for once in history the Israelis for the atrocities they commit in Philistine
, the Hindu government in India issue a strange law against Muslims causing unruly rest with strange silence from most countries
, Minorities all over the world are oppressed
Things under secular liberty are so miserable and pessimistic
The advent of the Massiah (peace be upon him) is looming to launch the war against all this havoc. Voices of wise men and women need to be louder now for a better life for every single soul in this world and the whole environment.
That's not the point of the UN nore has it ever been.If UN is to lead the world
Freedom of ceed and respect of sanctities is a right for every one on bases of wise democratic principles.
Yes, so where's the problem?Two consenting adults should be able to love each other.
You don't, but if two consenting adults love each other and wants a marriage contract, why deny them? And I wasn't talking about the church.Why do you need a marriage contract for that?
You don't, that's why you don't need to go a church to get a marriage contract.Why do you need to tear apart churches for that?
You're in denial if you think only a church can be give you a marriage contract.I'm a transfeminine genderfluid person who was born male. If I want to date women, men, transgender women, preop trans women, the idea of making a church take responsibility for my decision is stupid. It's not like most of these would involve wedlock, so yes, you are in denial.
A church is not wrong if they refuse to give you a marriage ceremony if you are the only one who wants to get married and the other does not. The choice should be between two consenting people."If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." I know for a fact that the person I'm interested in is bisexual, has left the church, and my being legally female would probably disqualify me under the gay marriage restrictions . I also know that true to my belief as to the reason for marriage being family, she doesn't want kids, and I'm not sure I do either. So rather than tell myself the church is wrong for not letting me get married, maybe I'm wrong and I shouldn't in the first place. Especially since she has a bf, and I'm just extra.
But that doesn't have to be the only reasons for a marriage.The person who thinks any of that above mess is something marriage can resolve is kidding themselves. In denial.
You're in denial of the truth if you rig the poll to suit you and the opinions of others. You're also in denial of yourself if you say that the church does not matter and yet show how important the church is to your life.The poll options being highly rigged remain. But you can multiple choice to make all the results messed up if you want.
The laws, as well as all the rest of it, was written by misogynistic old men pushing an agenda. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these men were ashamed of and frightened by their own deep-seated homosexual feelings.
This condition is just a human construct, term, it can be changed anyway human mind desire. Natural actions and conditions that procreation of human species require do not change unless surgery involved.So what exactly is the problem?
Well, there's theories:
-On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like. Which means I'll skip to the meat of it:
- Awhile back, the Episcopal church voted to split over gay marriage. They became Anglican and Episcopalian. Then Methodists voted against, but wound up being forced to split anyway. Let's read Genesis, with of course those offensive words like 'man' and 'woman' changed to person.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate. " It's not relevant who is the husband and who is the wife (but from previous threads, you'll note that I do not believe in two parties working or two parties raising children, one cannot work in terms of the child, the other fails economically). What is relevant is the attempt to divide the church. God has married the church, united it, and people should not be voting to split.
-There's also the fact that this whole thing smacks of government intervention, specifically a secular system trying to impose Obama era rules on a public who would rather go to church to worship.
-Oh yeah and there's also the classic arguments that it's calling something sinful morally good, or a gateway drug to other odd behavior, or that it ignores the actual meaning of marriage (which is not for couples but for families, though I could contend this last one would be fine if gays could adopt more easily). But Ibthink these are secondary to the two real issues.
On is to ignore that there is a problem and to be pro-gay marriages. But even if you are for gay marriages, this is still ignoring that something about this God doesn't like.
"For this reason a person shall leave their father and mother and be united to their wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let not man separate.
Dostoevsky said: If there is no God, then every thing can be legalized. Bush invaded Iraq falsely to dismantle Saddam from his weapons of mass destruction.
the Hindu government in India issue a strange law against Muslims
Minorities all over the world are oppressed
Things under secular liberty are so miserable and pessimistic.
The advent of the Massiah (peace be upon him) is looming to launch the war against all this havoc.
Voices of wise men and women need to be louder now for a better life for every single soul in this world and the whole environment.