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Featured That Whole Homosexual--Sin Thing

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, May 14, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Since unstoppable forces and unmovable objects do not and cannot exist in our universe there really is no paradox. Perhaps the same could be applied to God, there is no omniscient nor omnipotent God in our universe. I guess that there is a way around it.
     
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    Because the people who made up God had something against homosexuals for some reason and decided that their God should have something against them as well.
     
  3. Skwim

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    So your beef with homosexuals isn't only that they have sex with each other, but that they don't dress the way you'd like them to. That, like heterosexuals, they're sometimes around children, and that you don't like the fact that they're proud of who they are. fair enough. Your entitled to your weird prejudices as much as the next Christian.

    It's not worth going into.


    You're right. My error.


    Necessary? No. However, I felt it might bring recreational sex into perspective for you.


    Good for you. :thumbsup:

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  4. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    God created a universe in which those concepts can't exist. As he is omnipotent, he could have made a universe in which they weren't paradoxical.
     
  5. Sky Rivers

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    Due to your horrible debate skills and comprehension, I’m done communicating with you in this thread.
     
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    Not sure why you ask are we still great? I don't assume humans are great. If you have read the biblical scriptures you would know what God says about those who destroy the earth.
     
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    I wasn't trying to smuggle anything in and I said nothing about judgement. Neither did I say homosexuality was anymore harmful than other sexual behavior outside of God's design. I just said I think it is harmful and I do because homosexuality or any other sexual activity outside of God's design for humans will not bring ultimate satisfaction, health, and well-being, but detrimental consequences in one way or another.
     
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    The only time the scriptures mention sex as being a sin not only in pagan worship, but when it also occurs between a married person with someone not their spouse.

    In the Old Testament this is verified by the ancient Hebrew word TOWEBAH (religious abomination).

    In the New Testament there are 2 words deliberately mistranslated found in 1Cor.6:9 and 1Tim.1:10.
     
  9. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    The word for sexual immorality is "porneia" from which we derive the word pornography....and it means ....
    1. "illicit sexual intercourse
      1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

      2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

      3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12"
    So not just adultery but fornication and any illicit sexual act that is contrary to the laws of God. (Acts of the Apostles 15:29; Galatians 5:19) It would therefore include viewing pornography.


    Another word used in connection with unnatural sex is "tebel" which means
    1. confusion (violation of nature or divine order)
      1. perversion (in sexual sin)

    Both verses use the Greek word "arsenokoitēs" which according to Strongs means....
    "one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual"

    So what is deliberately mistranslated? What is a sodomite?
     
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  10. Dan Mellis

    Dan Mellis Thorsredballs

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    If god doesnt punish you for sin, do you not believe in hell? If sin is harmful, why did god make it, and make us 'want' to do it?

    I don't make the claim that there is no god, just that I don't believe there is. I'm not gnostic about the position. I think the best way to charavterise my non belief is that I also can't prove that this isn't all a fever dream that I'm about to wake up from... its not likely but I cant rule it out 100%. However, even if I was, the conversation is still a valid one as it concerns the advancement of equal rights - the best way I can see to assail the belief that homosexuality shouldnt be condoned is to attack the flawed logic that it is based upon. God belief is a central part of that logic.

    However, since god is a human invention, so is homophobia. Therefore, the removal of god as an excuse simply exposes the issue at hand which is people don't like people who/what they perceive to be different.
     
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    I dont believe anything has been deliberately mistranslated. I just believe the book is immoral and breeds sexually repressed, imbalanced, violent, bigoted fundamentalists.
     
  12. Kangaroo Feathers

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    I don't know. Why do dogs want to eat chocolate? Some things that are bad for us feel good, but that doesn't make it so. We can investigate the whys and wherefores all day, but 8t is a sad fact that sometimes things that feel good and right are inherently bad for us. If the dog with chocolate analogy doesn't grab you, consider junk food generally, or any drug of addiction.
    If you don't believe in God, asking why God opposes homosexual activity is rather pointless, no? I fully admit my argument is predicated on a belief in God. If you don't believe in Him, really, that's fine by me, but let's not waste each other's time trying to explain positions built on axioms the other refuses to accept.
     
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    But it isnt harmful. Neither is pre or extramarital sex, necessarily.

    What detrimental consequences? If a loving gay couple raise a child, that child comes out every bit as healthy as one with straight parents. The reason I brought up judgement is that aids is the only semivalid argument against homosexuality, by which I mean its the only real risk it poses to the people engaging in it.

    One of my best friends is bisexual and lives with his bi girlfriend, who is more than happy for him to meet men if he wants to and she meets women. Theyre getting married soon, and are happy and healthy, as well as honest with eachother.

    The trust that it requires to have that arrangement means that there is a security in their relationship which I think most people would envy.
     
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    I don't make the claim that there is no god, just that I don't believe there is. I'm not gnostic about the position. I think the best way to charavterise my non belief is that I also can't prove that this isn't all a fever dream that I'm about to wake up from... its not likely but I cant rule it out 100%. However, even if I was, the conversation is still a valid one as it concerns the advancement of equal rights - the best way I can see to assail the belief that homosexuality shouldnt be condoned is to attack the flawed logic that it is based upon. God belief is a central part of that logic.

    However, since god is a human invention, so is homophobia. Therefore, the removal of god as an excuse simply exposes the issue at hand which is people don't like people who/what they perceive to be different.[/QUOTE]
    If you don't believe in God, asking why God opposes homosexual activity is rather pointless, no? I fully admit my argument is predicated on a belief in God. If you don't believe in Him, really, that's fine by me, but let's not waste each other's time trying to explain positions built on axioms the other refuses to accept.[/QUOTE]

    No, I wont agree to disagree because your beliefs and prejudices are actively harmful in exactly the same way that a racists beliefs are. Its a moral obligation to oppose this sort of cognitive diarrhoea when it begins to infringe on the rights of others.

    Fair enough if it was a privately held belief, but the fact that people are online arguing for it means that it is not. It gets worse when we have political parties, in the UK and US, who want to legislate these beliefs at a governmental level.

    Especially in the UK, there is an apathy about religion. Most people arent religious so don't care. This gives fundamentalists room to manoeuvre, which needs to stop.
     
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    Also, the chocolate tastes good to the dog, who doesnt understand the consequences of eating it. Same with other addictions, although we do understand the consequences, the pleasure sometimes outwieghs them.

    Please help me understand the consequences of being gay. Unlike you, I'm unwilling to accept "its just bad, ok." Especially when there is literally, and i mean that word in a literal sense, no valid and objective supporting evidence to the bible's veracity. Nothing. Or at least, nothing that isn't also an argument for any other religion if you just change the names.
     
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    Thought that the subject was in context about the continuation of family. But anyway, you've proved your logic as an unjustifiable rationalization.

    Nonsense!
     
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    Do you think rape is a sin/wrong? Do you believe adultery is a sin/wrong? Did you note the fact you acknowledge your own understanding of unrepentant or ignorant sinner?
    So you acknowledge a repentant sinner will be forgiven? An ignorant sinner? Is there such a thing in this day and age?






    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    Theives, drunkards,and revilers and even extortioners so what do you believe this is really revealing and whom is this being told to?

    Paul is speaking to believers and warning them what they should not be doing. It is all unrighteous and all these things mean you will not possess the Kingdom of Heaven.
    But there is much more than this if you want to read the bible and find out what you can.


    God hates sin full stop. Homosexuals, drunkards and even idolaters and adulterers all get the same. You see there is no stages of sin from bad to not so bad.
    It isn't just one sin but all sin God hates. Do you think a thief any less a sinner or more a sinner than any of the others mentioned?
    what about the effeminate?


    effeminate
    /ɪˈfɛmɪnət/
    adjective
    DEROGATORY
    1. (of a man) having characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly. The fact is that no sin affects the body like sexual sin and Christians bodies are the temple of Gods Spirit.



    When it comes to understanding you single one sin out as if separate from the rest. Sin is sin in Gods eyes. God hates sin full stop. It's nature is irrelevant and adultery and thieving had the same outcome even being effeminate.

    Why should none believers be worried about God or what he considers to be sin? It isn't God who makes reference to a sin as if individual from the rest. It is man both unbeliever and sadly in some cases believers. God will judge one day, it isn't ours to do now only believers among themselves. Paul wrote to believers not unbelievers.
     
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    You need to show how and why homosexuality is wrong. "God does not like it" is not good enough.
     
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    They have faith about that.
    I have read about it but I wondered.
    Maybe this disease existed way before that.
    You know how homosexual sex is.
    The P is inserted to A
    A is a very very dirty part
    It is where the ____ happens.
    And when that happens
    Both A and P becomes a living laboratory

    upload_2019-5-16_18-41-36.jpeg

    Both became a walking petridish.
    Most likely Alexander the Great had it
    And the pervert men of Rome got it too.
     
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    the A is a very very dirty place

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    If a man inserts his P to the A
    such as in a homosexual sex
    He is bound to hit something.....

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