Teen Arrested for Planning ISIS Attack in NYC

[wandering peacefully]

they need to make white supremacists the sole object

No, not true. I just think it is only fair to call the same type of activity by the same name. We have a problem with domestic terrorism. Does it really matter who is carrying it out? It always seems there is a quick desire to call what Muslims do terrorism but when a white kid shoots up a school full of kids, he is not an "American terrorists", he is just a lost kid with mental issues. That is really the only point I had.

 

[FooYang]

Fake News! Donald Trump told us ISIS was 100% defeated!

That is true.

 

[wandering peacefully]

You know this goes both ways right? Some posters here only bring up WS terrorism

I certainly believe that.

 

[wandering peacefully]

How about we condemn both and acknowledge that we should both vet people coming into this country and also put more effective measures in place to prevent white supremacist terror?

Absolutely agree.

 

[Shiranui117]

No, not true. I just think it is only fair to call the same type of activity by the same name. We have a problem with domestic terrorism. Does it really matter who is carrying it out? It always seems there is a quick desire to call what Muslims do terrorism but when a white kid shoots up a school full of kids, he is not an "American terrorists", he is just a lost kid with mental issues. That is really the only point I had.

It is true that there's a difference between mass murder and terrorism. Terrorists do what they do as an act of political, racial or religious violence meant to terrorize (hence the name) a group of perceived opponents or "others". I definitely believe that there are some white supremacists in this country who have and will continue to carry out terrorism, and I always applaud people who either catch them before the acts are carried through or who actually help deradicalize them and bring them back into normal reality.

A mass murderer with a grudge is not a terrorist if he's killing for personal rather than religious, ethnic or political reasons. Where things get murky is when both of those categories of reasons overlap.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, not true.

What's "true" is that if anyone posts news about terrorism from
Muslims, some immediately arrive to make it about white supremacy.
Is the goal to add balance? Were it so, they'd be there to offer
alternative perps when threads are about white supremacist violence.

 

[Enoch07]

I don't do racial. And certainly don't want to. I was just pointing out that using the word Islamic terrorist, when the last 4 years have been notable for white American terrorists which rarely are called that by Islamaphobes, is biased. So I wasn't the one suggesting racial bias.

Islam/Muslim is not a race. Immigrant is not a race. You brought up whites which is racial. Your facts is all out of whack.

Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia

September 11 attacks - Wikipedia

Between 2001-2017 Islamic terrorist killed 3,115 people. Most of that being 9/11 and does not count soldier deaths.

White supremacist killed 106 I'm that same time.

The factual numbers destroy your false narrative.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Right. Makes more sense to be suspicious of white guys when you're at the grocery store, your place of worship, a concert, a bar, etc.

Unfortunately yes. It really has come to that. I am much more concerned now about getting shot in a public space by a local crazy with a gun than being attacked by a religious extremist. Maybe I shouldn't be but that is how things work now.

 

[Cooky]

Unfortunately yes. It really has come to that. I am much more concerned now about getting shot in a public space by a local crazy with a gun than being attacked by a religious extremist. Maybe I shouldn't be but that is how things work now.

"White guys" in particular, like @Saint Frankenstein said? Are they the most dangerous now?

...I mean, if that's what you guys truly agree on, then I find that very interesting.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"White guys" in particular, like @Saint Frankenstein said? Are they the most dangerous now?

...I mean, if that's what you guys truly agree on, then I find that very interesting.

Way to miss the point.

 

[sun rise]

I'll just quote the President “very fine people on both sides” - this one included.

 

[sun rise]

"White guys" in particular, like @Saint Frankenstein said? Are they the most dangerous now?

...I mean, if that's what you guys truly agree on, then I find that very interesting.

I'm much more concerned about right wing terrorists in the USA. Personally concerned given the rise of anti-semitism and my Jewish background. In other nations, the majority of bad guys will vary. Buddhist terrorists kill Muslims. Muslim terrorists kill Christians. Hindu terrorists kill Muslims. And so it goes.

 

[sun rise]

The stats cuts off on 9/12 ergo does not include the largest terrorist attack in US history, 9/11, which was /drum roll Islamic and resulted in 3k deaths. Fewer people were killed at Pearl Harbour. Also ISIS based or claimed (and proven) attacks are consider international terrorism even if done in the US due to organization association. Ergo some attacks in the US are not considered domestic terrorism by law due to communication with foreign parties.

We should be tracking and stopping all terrorist attacks no matter what the source. Terrorism is terrorism.

 

[sun rise]

No, not true. I just think it is only fair to call the same type of activity by the same name. We have a problem with domestic terrorism. Does it really matter who is carrying it out? It always seems there is a quick desire to call what Muslims do terrorism but when a white kid shoots up a school full of kids, he is not an "American terrorists", he is just a lost kid with mental issues. That is really the only point I had.

It's probably better to focus on the deed - mass shooting than the motive. But as far as that goes, there were terrorist threats from the right stopped as well recently.

FBI struggles to confront right-wing terrorism
The FBI arrested 115 domestic terrorism suspects in fiscal 2018 and appears on pace to arrest as many this year. The vast majority, agents said, are driven by racist and anti-government ideology.

A senior FBI counterterrorism official, speaking on condition of anonymity to brief reporters in May, said the bureau had recorded a “significant” rise in cases involving “racially motivated extremism” since last fall.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...front-domestic-terrorism-by-right-wing-groups

 

[Revoltingest]

Unfortunately yes. It really has come to that. I am much more concerned now about getting shot in a public space by a local crazy with a gun than being attacked by a religious extremist. Maybe I shouldn't be but that is how things work now.

About fear...
I recommend reserving it for other drivers.
They're the most common of all violent killers.
And they could be any gender, race, religion, or brand of car.

 

[Revoltingest]

We should be tracking and stopping all terrorist attacks no matter what the source. Terrorism is terrorism.

You're doing it again....agreeing with me.

Parenthetical aside...
Let's consider some of the biggest terrorist attacks in Ameristan....
1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia
Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
A common thread is motivation by our violent domestic & foreign policies.
A side benefit of our being more peaceful would be a reduction in terrorism.
No guarantees...just speculation.

 

[sooda]

A 19-year-old Pakistani-American was arrested on Thursday for planning a terror attack on behalf of ISIS.

Awais Chudhary, a naturalized U.S. citizen, allegedly told undercover officers that he wanted to launch an attack on Queens using either a knife or explosives, according to a criminal complaint. He said he was willing to conduct a knife attack because "that's what he knows," but added that he would plant a bomb instead if he could only learn how to build one.

Teen Arrested for Planning ISIS Attack in NYC

I wonder what motivates these Islamic extremists?

I'm glad they got him.. Maybe attention seeking? Being an outsider? Mental illness?

Those are NOT a good character traits.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

so that means we should ignore these news stories then!?!

What can you do about them apart from moving to another country that is less of a terrorist target?

Besides, foreign terrorists are the least of Americans' problems these days.

Were you aware that Amnesty International issued a travel advisory last month warning travelers considering coming to America. It wasn't about terrorism, but angry, agitated Americans with easy access to guns shooting one another, which appears to be the greater problem :

"As a response to the recent mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio that claimed the lives of 31 people last weekend, a human rights organization has issued a warning to all people traveling to the United States.

The Amnesty International advisory was announced "in light of ongoing high levels of gun violence in the country."

The advisory reads as follows:

IF YOU DECIDE TO TRAVEL TO THE UNITED STATES:
- Be extra vigilant at all times and be wary of the ubiquity of firearms among the population.
- Avoid places where large numbers of people gather, especially culture events, places of worship, schools, and shopping malls.
- Exercise increased caution when visiting local bars, nightclubs, and casinos.

The advisory also made note that certain people may be in greater danger of violence given their "gender identity, race, country of origin, ethnic background or sexual orientation."
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None of this will be getting any better as long as people are walking the streets with assault weapons and political demagogues fuel their hatreds and spark their resentment for political gain.

 

[Wandering Monk]

A 19-year-old Pakistani-American was arrested on Thursday for planning a terror attack on behalf of ISIS.

Awais Chudhary, a naturalized U.S. citizen, allegedly told undercover officers that he wanted to launch an attack on Queens using either a knife or explosives, according to a criminal complaint. He said he was willing to conduct a knife attack because "that's what he knows," but added that he would plant a bomb instead if he could only learn how to build one.

Teen Arrested for Planning ISIS Attack in NYC

I wonder what motivates these Islamic extremists?

One outcome of a meaningless life.

 

[Cooky]

What can you do about them apart from moving to another country that is less of a terrorist target?

Besides, foreign terrorists are the least of Americans' problems these days.

Were you aware that Amnesty International issued a travel advisory last month warning travelers considering coming to America. It wasn't about terrorism, but angry, agitated Americans with easy access to guns shooting one another, which appears to be the greater problem :

"As a response to the recent mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio that claimed the lives of 31 people last weekend, a human rights organization has issued a warning to all people traveling to the United States.

The Amnesty International advisory was announced "in light of ongoing high levels of gun violence in the country."

The advisory reads as follows:

IF YOU DECIDE TO TRAVEL TO THE UNITED STATES:
- Be extra vigilant at all times and be wary of the ubiquity of firearms among the population.
- Avoid places where large numbers of people gather, especially culture events, places of worship, schools, and shopping malls.
- Exercise increased caution when visiting local bars, nightclubs, and casinos.

The advisory also made note that certain people may be in greater danger of violence given their "gender identity, race, country of origin, ethnic background or sexual orientation."
​

None of this will be getting any better as long as people are walking the streets with assault weapons and political demagogues fuel their hatreds and spark their resentment for political gain.

Well, if that's what you'd like to talk about, then maybe find an article on it and start a thread, rather than talking about it here.

...I mean think about it. If there was a thread talking about guns in America and I started talking about Jihad. That would be weird, right?