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Tea and Coffee??

Discussion in 'Latter-day Saints DIR' started by Dream Angel, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. sniper762

    sniper762 Well-Known Member

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    pictures may be easier for u than reading
     
  2. zomg

    zomg I aim to misbehave!

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    Hey, madhatter, you must have missed my previous post. I kindly quoted said post so that you can more easily answer the two questions I had :D
     
  3. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I doubt it. I graduated from the University of Utah, magna cum laude with a degree in English. I believe that should make it quite clear that I have no trouble reading.
     
  4. Watchmen

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    I'm not madhatter, but as to your second question, the Word of Wisdom was not a "commandment" when it was first revealed.

    And, for the record, what Katzpur does is between her and the Lord. Based on this forum, I believe she has little to worry about when it comes to her own salvation and exaltation.
     
  5. sniper762

    sniper762 Well-Known Member

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    wow, now im dense. you keep digging deeper

    i think that the contents of this thread speaks for itself
     
  6. madhatter85

    madhatter85 Transhumanist

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    #1 Do you know what scripture that is? I will look for it but, I am sure you are taking it out of context.

    #2 Yes, even more so. Not to the point of disbelief, But yes I would say "what the hell is wrong with you?" if I saw him drinking. But can you provide a source?
     
  7. madhatter85

    madhatter85 Transhumanist

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    Yes that is true and I never said anything about her "salvation."

    I am more concerned with the example she is putting forth as a self-identifed LDS member who openly criticizes church leadership and drinks "on occasion."
     
  8. zomg

    zomg I aim to misbehave!

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    Matthew 15.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Before the jailor came in, his boy brought in some water, and said the guard wanted some wine. Joseph gave Dr. Richards two dollars to give the guard; but the guard said one was enough, and would take no more. “The guard immediately sent for a bottle of wine, pipes, and two small papers of tobacco; and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, and presented a glass to Joseph, who tasted, as brother and the Doctor, and the bottle was then given to the guard, who turned to go out.” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 616)

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Sometime after dinner we sent for some wine. It has been reported by some that this was taken as a sacrament. It was no such thing,; our spirits were generally dull and heavy, and it was sent for to revive us.... I believe we all drank of the wine, and gave some to one or two of the prison guards." (John Taylor, in History of the Church, Vol. 7, page 101)[/FONT]
     
  9. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Interesting. So apparently John Taylor didn't record the part where he asked Joseph Smith, "What the hell is wrong with you?" :D
     
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  10. madhatter85

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    I never said that I was without fault. The difference between you and me is that I actually strive to do the things that are asked of me and acknowledge my mistakes as well as forsake them. Idon't make excuses and say "well I hope I get points for doing good things over here" while at the same time doing bad things over "there".

    You cannot ask for forgiveness for one thing while still participating other things that are contrary to the gospel. At least that is what we are taught in church. I am surprised someone as old as you still doesn't get that.
     
  11. madhatter85

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    And so did the Nephites. Your point? I still would have said "what the hell is wrong with you?"
     
  12. silvermoon383

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    And he would have answered "What the hell is wrong with you?"

    Madhatter, you keep insisting that everything is fair and even when it fact it is not. Different people were under different obligations in the past 2 centuries. The same bit of advice doesn't work on everyone, nor does the same solution work on every problem. I have to be treated differently than my partner in my church duties, and I have to treat my senior design project group differently than I do my Dungeons and Dragons group.

    Hell, the Church knows this, and in my opinion, some of the differences they use when dealing with different people are both good, and bad. For example: just in this morning's conference session there was a talk and the speaker explicitly told the YSA women that the Lord is mindful of their single status and that they won't be denied any blessings. I've heard this all the time. But now, when I heard that this morning I thought to myself "What about us guys? There are plenty of us that are single too, and in many cases it's not due to laziness."

    At risk of derailing this thread I'll ask it anyways. Why to the women get a pat on the head and a reassurance that "everything will be ok" but us guys get stern looks and rebukes of "Why aren't you marrying the single sisters?" despite the fact that many of us are trying to court, but constantly get turned down?
     
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  13. zomg

    zomg I aim to misbehave!

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    Jesus drank wine. Would you say "what the hell is wrong with you?" to your savior?

    Obviously, the word of wisdom didn't exist during the Nephites' time. Nor Jesus'. Even the LDS church today doesn't follow the word of wisdom as described in D and C 89.
     
  14. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    :biglaugh:Seriously, I bet he would have.
    At the risk of derailing this thread? :eek: Silvermoon, this thread was derailed 75 posts ago when MadHatter decided it was his responsibility to call me to repentence. :facepalm: The thread is now moving along quite nicely. He has now expressed his regrets that he was not able to call Joseph Smith to repentence as well. By the time the mods get around to this thread, he'll have told us how he wished he could have called the Savior to repentence, too.

    I don't know how old you are, Silvermoon, but my parents were single until my dad was 35 years old. So hang in there. As far as any woman turning you down, it's her loss.
     
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  15. zomg

    zomg I aim to misbehave!

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    You know, madhatter, it's people like you who remind me why I don't miss the LDS church AT ALL.

    So go ahead and cast those stones at Katz. Jesus would be so proud of you!
     
  16. madhatter85

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    I have not cast stones. I am sure she is still a nice person and all. I just have to ask "what is going through your mind that makes you think it is O.K.?" It just makes no sense.
     
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  18. imbobbbb

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    My what a fun thread this has turned into:rolleyes:.I haven't haven't visited this site in nearly 2 years and see what fun ive been missing.I have been following Katzs posts on another site though and despite her 3 glasses of wine annually I still consider her a fine example of what lds members should be,and light years ahead of me....even though I dont drink at all.:D

    There is no point in trying to logicly justify all of the WOW.It is 'church policy' whether it makes sense or not.Parts of it are given great importance by the church,like not drinking 'certain hot drinks' later defined as tea and coffee but not initially named specificly at the time although they could have been.Other parts,which seem to be more important to health,involving eating meat sparingly and a lot of vegetables are somewhat ignored.It is what it is.When God puts me in charge,(yeah right),i'll clarify things a bit...until then i'll just go along with the program as I understand it and let others do the same.

    If anyone wants to pretend that logicly... iced tea and iced coffee are hot drinks and hot chocolate,hot chicken broth are cold drinks....well be my guest.If God isn't the 'author of confusion' then somebody didn't write something down initially as clearly as he should have.It really doesn't matter if it makes sense,the policy is clear even if the doctrine as written isn't.

    If anyone wants to expand it in their life to include heat pasteurized milk,chocolate ice cream,coca cola,mouthwash,white bread and bacon....feel free.If some want to stick to locusts and honey it won't bother me.I'll follow my own conscience on the issues.:)
     
  19. sniper762

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    kudos to you, bob
     
  20. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    imbobbbb! Fancy meeting you here. I never realized you were a member of RF. And come to think of it, I seldom see you over on C-D either. What's up with that? Anyway, it's good to see you. I sure wish you'd post more often. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. :yes:
     
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