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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Aug 19, 2021.

  1. Clara Tea

    Clara Tea Well-Known Member

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    All of our presidents since WW II espoused morality and Christianity. In fact, that was Tricky Dick Nixon's stock-in-trade. "You have a right to know if your president is a crook....and I'm not a crook." "The only thing that I ever took was a little dog named checkers (from Nixon's checkered past), for my daughter, and I'm not giving it back." (Nixon's Checkers speech).

    But all of the wars (sans Middle East) were fought against China and Russia on some other's soil....typically Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia....etc. It was a war of super-powers, the US opposing Communism. Yet, as you said, the little guys were the ones hurt the most.

    The US ended up losing virtually all of the wars. If anything, they delayed the Communist take-overs.

    So, in the end, nothing was accomplished. The land was poisoned by agent orange, napalm, and other harmful chemicals. Land mines are still found there.

    Farmers didn't want to hurt their dogs, so they sent their "worthless" daughters into mine fields to blow up (thus defusing the mines). Apparently human life is not worth much there.
     
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    Show a good example. I think it is sad and disappointing that at some point USA lost its way an became tyrannical occupier. When it led by example of free country, it was inspirational for many and actually caused positive change in the world, or at least pressure for it in many countries. Now that it has send “democracy” from bombers and acts like tyrannical fascist towards, it has lost all that admiration and influence it once had. If USA would have been tyrannical communist regime, it would not be as bad, but now that it has acted the same way, but pretends to be something better, it has caused even more damage to positive development and to freedom of people.

    If we want to help Afghans, I think best way is to show a good example of a free country. If Afghans don’t generally want that, I think it is good let them be and to accept people from there, who value free society, to live here.
     
  3. firedragon

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    The Qur'an does not specify a democracy, nor does it specify a monarchy. There are some scholars who argue for democracy and they say the early khalifs were elected until Muawiah.

    But that's a whole different topic.
     
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  4. firedragon

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    Not with the Taliban. There will always be a warlord or what we would call a lord of an area. warlord is what we would call them, they dont because taking a gun or two with you is like taking a handkerchief. Though in some areas there will be a leader, they will all be under the Taliban. It has always been like that. Thats the reason the Taliban were having their support those days because they brought the country under one rule which resulted in peace.
     
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    But that's what it is.
     
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    The afghans are always pro USA. In fact, Arabs in general are pro USA. That is they like the lifestyle in the U.S, so it is a quick thing for most of them to forgive and forget. BUT, most dont like to be occupied because every single occupation has led to some of the biggest atrocities they have faced. The outcome of the U.S occupation of Afghanistan is yet to be seen. But because the Taliban is in control, maybe another Dais type of movement will not be born there.
     
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    The general public will any day, anytime, escape to the west. Out of fear or not.
     
  8. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I'm hoping they will be forcefully removed and the legitimate government reinstated.
     
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    You cant use words like legitimate TH. You should ask the population there if what you think legitimate was actually legitimate to people. Only then you would know.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I can't picture the Taliban being revolutionaries or patriots givin the history of the severe brutality and terror they happily engage in.
     
  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I was posed a similar question along those lines.

    If the people were not pro Taliban, then the only other thought would be the installed government that has relinquished control so easily was secretly pro Taliban unbeknownst to the common Afghan.
     
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    Thats not correct TH. The government officials, all but a few vanished from the country. I believe the rest will too. Their unpatriotic governance let them down.

    What you should realise is, those who are paid to fight are not fighting for their "cause". The would rather run away or submit to save their lives. The Taliban is not like that. They fight for a cause. That is the reason this occupation was compared to the Vietnam war. The VC pledged they would fight to the last man. Thats why you can never kill them all. As long as one person is still alive, the war is still on. That won't be the case with an invasion appointed government or/and their forces. They will always flee, and has happened a lot of times all over the world.

    In India some of the Indian freedom fighters were called "terrorist" or as I remember "Theewarawadhi" and they would try to strap themselves with some grenades and crawl under the British tanks but the Indian British soldiers would never do that because they are looking to go to England one day, and they fight for money.

    The Afghan forces installed by the occupation of the U.S was numbered in heavy. But they just vanished when the Taliban advanced. They were not willing to die. But you should also note that there are some tribes holding out even today, and the Taliban is ignoring them at the moment.
     
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  13. firedragon

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    You should read up on the history a little more my friend. Their brutality is condemned worldwide, and people didnt give them much thought prior to the Bush administration making them world famous. When the Taliban leaders visited the U.S prior to that for the UNICAL deal people didnt give much attention. But its the U.S propaganda that made them world famous.

    The Taliban are revolutionaries. Just because you dont romanticise them anymore, that does not make them anything else.
     
  14. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I'm sure the women there appreciate that sentiment.
     
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    See, the Jews hated Hitler. That doesnt mean Hitler was not a human. So when someone says "Hitler was a human" and another argues "the Jews will appreciate that sentiment", he still remains human.

    Rhetorically you may call him the devil, a monster or inhuman.
     
  16. TransmutingSoul

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    It seems that the people are willing to show the Taliban what is required for democracy within their country.

    Regards Tony
     
  17. TransmutingSoul

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    That would require them to not be hardline on what they see the Koran laws offer, which obviously may be off the table on a lot of issues, that is why they are the Taliban.

    Regards Tony
     
  18. firedragon

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    I agree. Just that it won't work with them. But there is a chance. Maybe in the future. the problem is no one can "insist" on democracy because they have had too much influence in the west hosting monarchies and dictatorships around the world and toppling democracies when its convenient. So they dont believe in submitting to foreign powers insisting on democracy.
     
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    Their laws dont come from the Qur'an Tony.
     
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  20. TransmutingSoul

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    That really is the crux of it and it has no easy fix.

    Example is that I really dislike the suppression of women, seeing it in any way really gets my goat up. :D I just want to run in and ram the perpetrators and I have the same feeling with injustice.

    Regards Tony
     
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