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Swiss guard hypocrites, not Christians?
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Desert Snake
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Swiss is the hardcore anabaptists, right? Not sure they're catholic
74x12
Well-Known Member
Vatican city has a Swiss guard they train with firearms as well as ceremonial halberds etc.
Well...the Swiss Guards are definitely the only reason why my female friends and I go snoop around the Vatican every now and then.
Back to the topic: most of the work of defense there is done by the Italian police at the gates...those guards are just decorations.
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TheBannerofHomuraAkemi
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Why as a Christian are you so fascinated with a tool that is used for killing?
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Has nothing to do with the Swiss Guard. Swiss Guards are mercenary armies that fought in wars for the Vatican, the Swiss Guards of today are no longer mercenaries and are in honor of that tradition.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
How does Pope Francis dare to accuse someone being a hypocrite; himself being in charge of the biggest "sexual abuse institute" in the world? Hypocrite throws the first stone?
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HonestJoe
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I’m always wary about assertions that start with “Apparently…”.
Fake news twists pope's words on gun owners and Christians
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Do the Swiss Guard carry guns? Also, I'd kind of like to see Francis' quote.
Also also...
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
'Cos swords are cool
74x12
Well-Known Member
Yeah I was skeptical myself. Thank you.I’m always wary about assertions that start with “Apparently…”.
Fake news twists pope's words on gun owners and Christians
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Just not skeptical enough to do a check before taking a swipe at Catholics, huh?
If one hires guards with guns, this isn't really different from having one's own gun.
Effectively, the Pope would be arguing that guns are only for those wealthy enuf
to hire others to wield them.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Sorry, it's not about going against Catholics for me, but the politics of the Pope. I couldn't resist the sarcasm.
However, I think the over all point here is valid. The pope clearly is against personal gun ownership; while he sits in a veritable fortress with armed guards and Italian police to protect him. Even when he goes on parade it's in some kind of bullet proof bubble car. This kind of double standard is not limited to the Pope however, as we see many rich and famous people living in gated communities with personal body guards speaking against gun ownership for the mere plebeians. So I'm not taking a swipe at the Catholic church just because I can.
Yet, many people think Christians shouldn't be armed to defend their families.
While the Bible says if any man provides not for his own house; then they're worse than unbelievers. (1 Timothy 5:8)
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
When has the Pope said anything like you are implying?Sorry, it's not about going against Catholics for me, but the politics of the Pope. I couldn't resist the sarcasm.
This kind of double standard is not limited to the Pope however, as we see many rich and famous people living in gated communities with personal body guards speaking against gun ownership for the mere plebeians. So I'm not taking a swipe at the Catholic church just because I can.
Yet, many people think Christians shouldn't be armed to defend their families.
FYI, I own 4 firearms and 2 other regulated projectile weapons, and I agree that the idea of having guns for "self defence" in a developed country for the averafe person is a nonsense.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
You seem to have forgotten earlier post already. Maybe you didn’t bother to read the link.
Again, there is nothing quoting the Pope making any reference to personal gun ownership (for or against as it happens). The misrepresented statements were specifically about individuals and organisations making and selling weapons specifically to do harm to innocent people.
Armed guards aren’t personal gun ownership anyway and I don’t see an entirely defensive force as being contradictory to anything the Pope has said or even anything wrongly attributed to him. Bullet resistant glass in his car certainly isn’t contradictory.while he sits in a veritable fortress with armed guards and Italian police to protect him. Even when he goes on parade it's in some kind of bullet proof bubble car.
Well given your record so far, I think you’ll forgive us for requiring some reliable evidence to back up this accusation.
Remember it’s only really hypocritical if they’re arguing for restrictions that would prevent the choices they take. For example, if someone only argues for stronger background checks and all their armed security goes through background checks, there’d be no moral contradiction.No, the swipe at the Pope and the church was just an added bonus eh?
74x12
Well-Known Member
First of all, swipe at the pope is not necessarily a swipe at all Catholics. Secondly, criticism is for whoever it's due.No, the swipe at the Pope and the church was just an added bonus eh?
Sorry, but that's completely unreasonable. They have the money to afford personal guards, gated communities and bullet proof glass in their cars etc. The little guy working his job can barely afford to pay the bills. What's wrong with the little guy owning a gun to defend himself or his family?
It is hypocrisy when they cannot see things in any other way except in their rich and privileged way. Basically they cannot put themselves in the shoes of the average guy.